PCT help

Well i had a thread eariler but the topic had nothing to do with it since i wanted to be more natural but now i wanna do m1t

I was planning on buying it tonight or tomorow with the sale. I figure 900mg of m1t should last 2 cycles pretty much since i dont think ill go past 15mg since this is my first time. Now what i researched was that i was going to take 4-ad a week earlier and then should i keep going with it during the m1t cycle? i think i do just wanna make sure. And how much should i take of the 4-ad? I couldn't find it on the sponser products cuz I dont think 4ad and 4add are the same thing.

And now back to the topic question i was going to be on m1t for 4 weeks and take something for my liver maybe. But what pct shoudl i use to help keep my gains and get my body back to normal? And do i take this the first day off m1t or during the last part of m1t cycle? thanks


Also should i take m1t on the days im not working out or just doing cardio? thanks again, im just really eager to do this. =p

Look up anticortisol and antiestrogen on this board and others and read all the posts to get an idea of the diverse views on this topic. I believe the consensus is nolva and clomid as pct antiestrogen with a lot of vocal support for formestane while on cycle for both anti-estrogen and anti-cortisol and 6 oxo for pct antiestrogen. And no real agreement on Magnolia extract, 7-keto, and phophatidityl serine for anti-cortisol.
Personally I think 5aa with m1t is better because it is an anti-estrogen and anti-cortisol but its potential sides include hairloss and cabbage prostrate with no real protection as it has direct conversion to dht that is unaffected by anti-dht substances available.
OTH I do not like methylated prohormones which are more expensive, more damaging to the liver, and less effective than the real thing.

ColdHeartBear - Great info Iron Brother. I am impressed. I have noticed alot of your posts and your williness to help fellow members out around the board, it says alot about your dedication to the board and the family we have here. Bottom line is, It is members like you that make this board great.

Just wanted to say, Thanks for all the effort and time you put in on the board. Really appreciate it and anyway I can assist, don't hesitate to ask, Iron Brother...

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Checking over some sources:

Topic: 7-keto also 7 oxo- there are studies showing reduction of cortisol. What is usually not mentioned is that it lowers Testosterone....and when that is mentioned its adherants (too loudly imo) yell that it lowers estrogen even more. Since the point is to return to normal hormonal balance then its defenders have a totally inane argument.
The problem IMO for magnolia root is that there is way too much fraud for most of us to find the real thing.
And phophadityl serine while it is effective against cortisol if used too long at amounts greater than .7 gms for 4 weeks to 5 months (varied personal accounts) causes mental confusion. I have heard some experienced users claim as much as 2 gms a day for 5 weeks with no ill effects noted. I need more than that to risk my brain.

thanks

what about Liquaclo ??

I have no experience with it and no one I know uses it. It may really duplicate clomid but I am not the one to prove or disprove it at this point.

ColdHeartBear said:

I have no experience with it and no one I know uses it. It may really duplicate clomid but I am not the one to prove or disprove it at this point.

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what would you recomend to shop at to get 4-ad and clomid? I notice that the sponser doesn't sell these products.

thanks alot, like lord said without people like you who knows what stupid stuff i be getting myself into lol.

You need to go to the secure question forum to get answer to clomid type source questions. It is a prescription drug for women.
4-ad...probaly the cheapest is bulknutrition.com or if you are willing to "experiment" even cheaper will be beyond-a-century.com

are there any pct that are legal to take and work good? thanks

Personally for anti-estrogen negative efects I use DIM but most bbs have no faith in it. As mentioned above 6 oxo works but is over priced. Formestane definitely works but is only a little cheaper than 6 oxo.
Calcium d glucarate and beta sisterol definitely are excellent anti-cortisol but are ridiculousely over priced.

This is the only 10 year period of my life in which it is cheaper to buy undermarket than over market for anything I might want.
Politically then, this is a dangerous sign, as everything undermarket tends to be priced retail 800 % over wholesale. overmarket usually has only a 400% markup.

phosphadityl serine is the correct spelling. I do not know how I missed correcting this twice made error.

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28537

I hope this helps your initial question its a post i did a while back for some of the same questions.

thanks for the post


so the 4ad will cuase gyno if you dont take something with? any recomendations on what to take with it , i was planning on taking 4derm