Brothers in Arms---Need your opinions

YAMAHA12

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i just had some bloodwork done to see if i am back to normal--

let me know what you think:
I know there are guidelines set by the medical industry for "normal" but i dont think they apply to athletes like ourselves.

here they are:


{my results}: (normal)
total testosterone: {828 ng/dl} (241-827)
Free testosterone: {16.2 pg/ml} (9.5-43.0)
Sex Hormone Binding Glubolin {24.1 nmol/l} (13-71)


the reason i have had all this checked is because i havent really gotten my sex drive back yet. I have also been having troubles with erections :(



so


is it a good or bad thing to have a high shbg----
my free test. seems low------
total test. is high though




i plan to run some tribestan with a consentrated tonkat ali called (longjack 100)--good stuff

see if i can increase free test---


let me know what you think bros

thanx
 
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Okay, you're probably not going to like my answer, but here goes:

828 for total test is excellent! I wish I had that level but I don't. My level goes all the way down to 194. It was 310 the first time it was checked. (I've heard the "normal" range was 300-1200.) I am on hormone replacement for life so I take shots of test cyp on a regular basis. My level goes as high as 1300 after a good shot. Now, most of the time after the shot I'm as horny as hell, but about maybe a quarter of the time I don't feel like I have any drive at all. Erections on the other hand are usually just fine as long as I have somebody to help as in my wife--BUT I have to be "in the mood" for them to be really good ones. If I don't feel like doing it and she does, it doesn't happen (well, not as strongly) even with a high level of test. So even men can be "not in the mood."

I guess what I'm getting at is that your brain is often an overlooked "sex organ" as explained to me by my urologist. He said that when testosterone levels are normal, the most common reason for sexual troubles is the mind. I don't know if you are married or have a steady girlfriend, but if you aren't in the mood, you aren't going to get "excited." Increasing free testosterone will not help your sex drive--free test is what is leftover that your body uses to build muscle, etc. after taking care of sexual functions. I have never heard of anything that specifically increases free test levels without increasing overall levels. Any real gear will do that, thus the shutdown of normal test production. I have not heard of any real results from tribestan--it's produced from plants and probably produces more of a placebo effect than anything. I would not waste my money on it.
 
I should add that I also think that the medical standards aren't exactly accurate though not just because someone may be an athlete. The figures they arrive at are average values that they get from looking at the populace they test. Statistical formulas give them a bell-shaped curve on a graph of which the top-most values are what they tell us. Obviously, some of us fall to either side of that graph so if your doctor is knowledgeable (or really wants to help you), they won't hold you to those exact values. If you feel that even with a testosterone level of 800 that a small supplementation would be beneficial, your doctor IMO should allow you to try it and work with you instead of citing numbers at us and leaving it at that.

Just to make a final point, a lot of doctors say that if you are in your thirties you are too young to have a heart attack. We all know there are plenty of people who have had heart attacks at even an earlier age than 30. These people are on the outside of the bell curve as it is with lots of men in their sexual abilities, hormone levels, etc. So goes the saying that we should always get a second opinion because we don't always match the "standard" values.
 
thanks bro--

here is some info on the tonkat-ali (longjack100)

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What is LJ100TM ?
LJ100TM is the strongest extract available of Tongkat Ali. Our team of scientists has been working on the extraction of Tongkat Ali for over 10 years to develop a patented extraction process that isolates the most active components available in Tongkat Ali. The extraction process removes the impurities of the plant (which is primarily fiberous) and pulls out the most bio-active components. LJ100TM is backed by strong scientific evidence. Tests are conducted on the end product, rather than on the herb "in general".

LJ100TM is the most potent standardized extract of Tongkat Ali, with a 28% glycoprotein content that is HPLC verifiable. This glycoprotein is patented by our scientists

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2. What makes LJ100TM better than other products on the market?
LJ100TM is the strongest extract available of Tongkat Ali. Raw Tongkat Ali does provide energy, improve sexual activity, and over time, will show numerous positive effects on the body. LJ100TM magnifies this effect and produces results much more rapidly. This is because the root is primarily fibrous with only a fraction containing the bioactive components. You would be hard pressed to eat enough raw powder to match the effects of this extract. In trying to, you'd have to significantly exceed daily fiber intake.

If you are looking for a modest energy booster and overall wellness herb, (a souped up ginseng), then LJ100TM may not be the right strength for you. We would suggest our El Jack 2:1 extract or the raw powder. However, if you want significant results quickly, LJ100TM is the best way to get it.

Indeed, many of the claims producers of competitive products attempt to make use the research of this potent extract. For example, Raw Tongkat Ali and LJ100TM will both boost testosterone levels. Not a lot of work has been done to enumerate what the raw powder will do. We have seen studies on 20:1 extracts that will boost those levels as much as 8% over 8 weeks. Only LJ100TM can make the claim of 100% over 3 weeks based on serum testosterone tests. Similarly, LJ100 is the only form of Tongkat Ali that can stand alone in its ability to have sexual effect. Other extracts will need to be combined with other herbs to potentially create synergistic effects. Indeed, as was seen recently in the news, some were actually laced with traces of Sildenfil Citrate, the chemical name for Viagra.

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3. How do I take LJ100TM?
For men, suggested dose for daily maintenance is 100-150mg (2-3 capsules) per day with a full glass of water. For sexual enhancement, you can take 3-4 pills one hour prior to sexual activity.

Most bodybuilders will take around 200mg per day (assuming a 180-220lb person). It is safe to take up to 500mg. We have seen tapering improvement above 500mg. Be sure to cycle your use on a 5 days on 2 days off period.

For women, take 50mg 1 hour prior to sexual activity.

LJ100 is also highly anti-histemic, and quite effective for immediate allergy relief. You can take one capsule daily or every other day, as your body dictates. You may also want to try the lower extracts as found in Enerdisia Herbal Coffee or El Jack. It is quite fast acting, with none of the side effects of drug related antihistamines.

Results may vary due to age, weight, metabolism, and health. We suggest a maximum dose of 10 pills. As with all superior class herbs, cycling is beneficial. We suggest a program of either 5 days on 2 days off, or 6 weeks on 2 weeks off.

It is not necessary to eat before taking LJ100TM as absorption is better on an empty stomach. However, if you have a sensitive stomach, you may prefer to take LJ100TM with a meal.

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4. Is LJ100TM safe ?
LJ100TM is very safe. It has passed both acute (shock test of 3000 times suggested dose) and chronic (90 days and maximum dose) testing. It is not a steroid. Rather it works by affecting the Luteinizing Hormone. LJ100TM is very specific in which hormone derivatives are affected. For example, you will see an increase in progesterone and testosterone, not 5a-dihydrotestosterone which would cause aromatization to estrogen (i.e. breast development). You will also see an increase in free testosterone (FT) over bound testosterone (BT) and an unbinding of BT. This is important because BT is not bioavailable and in high levels can be co-causal to prostate cancer.

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5. What if I take too much?
LJ100TM is tested for safety. You will not overdose from taking too much. However, there are a number of less tangible (quantifiable) side effects that can be experienced by the herb creating too much testosterone. You should feel energized, have positive mood, and be very clear headed.

If you take too much, most will feel "stir crazy". Some will feel aggressive. This is because hormone balance affects mood. If you feel this, lower your dose. Please note that a small percentage of men are affected by as little as 1 pill. If you are feeling these reactions on 50mg, we suggest you only take this product with intense physical activity or choose one of our other products.

Testosterone is very important for women as well. However, the amount of testosterone in a woman's body is much lower and can be very sensitive. A slight boost will increase libido, help to prevent osteoporosis, improve energy,

aid in weight loss, benefit mood and mental clarity, and even suppress appetite. Higher doses can have adverse affects on menstruation, adversely affect libido, and negatively impact mood. For this reason, we suggest no more than 50mg for a woman, unless she is engaged in intense physical activity such as an active sports tournament or professional body building (trying to gain muscle). If 50mg is too much for you, we would suggest trying Enerdisia or the El Jack pills.

In both cases, for immediate alleviation of these symptoms, engage in physical or sexual activity. This will help to bring your body back into balance.

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6. What if I/Why don't I feel anything?
As with most herbs, the right dose of LJ100TM can vary dramatically depending on individual. Even if you are not feeling anything, LJ100TM can be working in your body. This may show up more accurately when taking a serum testosterone test. Other more intangible effects that people note the effects without feeling them, is improved sexual ability (erection, recovery after ejaculation, etc), improved endurance (workout/run for much longer at a higher speed), better mood, and alleviate of allergy symptoms.

Also, we find that many already accustom to taking other energy herbs, creatine, ma huang, taurine, may require additional dose to feel "boosted." A stronger dose generally does work if this is the effect you are looking for.

For sexual enhancement, most will feel effects within one hour with 4 pills. However, age plays a large role. We would suggest you take a larger dose if you do not feel effectiveness with 4 pills.

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7. Can LJ100TM help with hypogonadism?



Yes. Our human clinical trials do show notable increase in libido in people with hypogonadism. As a secondary effect (not the primary focus of the study) it clearly showed improvement in the sperm count, motility, morphology, and quality over a three week period.




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8. Is LJ100 Safe to take with Heart Medications/Blood Pressure Medications?



The short answer is yes it is safe. However, if you need a answer for your physicians, here is the long answer.

From our studies, the product has shown safe to take with heart medications. We have not completed a full 3 phase study of LJ100. However, the product has undergone enough testing to allow us to collect enough date for a Phase 1 study. This will be compiled. The age range of patients in the study was anywhere from 22-60 years of age. Studies were conducted at the University of Malaysia, under top Andrologist Dr. Ismail Tambi.

The studies conducted were primarily to show the extract's potential as a remedy for sexual dysfunction or Partial Androgen Deficiency Among Men (PADAM) and was shown effective in 77% of cases. Ancillary health tests showed that most patients had a decrease in LDL levels and lower cholesterol. They also showed lower SHBG, higher muscle mass, and an increase in HGH. More studies are underway to confirm the potential of LJ100 for purposes other than PADAM.
LJ100 is not an MAO inhibitor. It works by increasing ATP, cGMP, and testosterone. While there may be secondary effects on PDE-5, this is not the primary action of the herb as with Yohimbe or Viagra. As a result, you will not get the side effects of racing heart, discoloration, uncontrolable erection, etc.

If your Doctor has further questions, please have him email ([email protected]), call us directly (1-866-330-4372), or reference our website at: www.herbal-powers.com. If we can not answer the question via our team here in the US, we can obtain an answer directly from our clinical scientists in Malaysia within 1 week.



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9. How does it help my workout?



LJ100TM is thermogenic and will aid increasing metabolism and decreasing body fat. This will lead to notable increase in endurance. It has shown to be anabolic and will improve strength during work out as well has help to build and bulk muscle. If you are a serious weight lifter, this is a great product for you.




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10. Does LJ100 aromatize into estrogen?



No. It does not. This is because it affects testosterone production by affecting LH levels, not LHRH levels hormones that would affect the binding of progesterone onto receptors responsible for aromatase production. Aromatase is required for synthesis of testosterone into Estrogen.




LJ100 very clearly increases Progesterone, DHEA, Androstenidione, and Testosterone. It does not increase the production of aromatase necessary for "aromatizing" to estrogen.




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11. Is LJ100 safe to take with Psycotropics such as Prozac or Wellbutrin?



Yes. LJ100 has not shown to interfere with the pharmecokinetics of any drug. Specifically, we have had test subjects take LJ100 with Psycotropics (name given to the class of drugs taken for Psycholigical therapy) with no sign or complaint of side effect.

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12. I would like to know what other effects I can expect from taking LJ100, especially by body builders. Does this product contribute to weight loss and a higher muscle to fat ratio?



This product primarily increases Testosterone and decreases SHBG. This results, for most individuals, in an increased metabolism; generally you burn fat.

SHBG, i.e. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, is the hormone that binds sex hormones to fat and commonly increases with age. When you take something that inhibits SHBG, one generally experiences a decrease in age pattern fat gain.

LJ100 is a diuretic and will, for many people, make them lose water weight. This is one of the things most appreciated by body builders, as they are usually attempting to decrease fat and water retention as well. That said, someone taking LJ100 for bodybuilding purposes should be much more aware of dehydration symptoms and hydrate themselves accordingly.

As far as higher muscle ratio goes, LJ100 will assist in muscle build in direct proportion to the extent that you work out. Most will find improved endurance and better recovery time as well after using this product.

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Anabolic Study of LJ100 - UnPublished
University of Malaysia, Dr. Ismail Tambe

Testosterone is renown biochemically for its anabolic nature and net effect of increasing metabolic rate and enhancing the process of biosynthesis. In this study, seven male subjects aged between 26-32 years took 100mg of LJ100 for a period of 8 weeks. Simultaneously, subjects performed an intensive strength training program with initial load of 60% RM, which was carried out on alternate days. Measurement of skin fold thickness, arm circumference, one repetition maximum (1RM) strength on the upper limb and the electormyographic activity of biceps were recorded before and after the period of consumption of LJ100. A double blind study of 7 controls were conducted.

Results:

Before After
% Fat 31.3 28.4
Arm Circumference(cm) 30.9 32.7
1RM Muscle Strength Test 73.7 78.7

The mean frequency of sEMG on bicep muscle contraction f the subjects showed a more significant improvement in strength (p<0.05) compared with the controls (p>0.05). The results suggest that LJ100 has an anabolic effect on muscle cells.


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LJ100TM effects on Total Testosterone, DHEA, & SHBG

University of Malaysia, Dr. Ismail Tambe

Conclusions:

Total testosterone levels do not show LJ100 does not disrupt steroidogensis. This suggests the feedback system is activated to ensure the testosterone levels are within the individuals needs range. (This confirms that LJ100 is not a steroid that will result in the unhealthy side effects of steroidal use.)

Analysis of DHEA showed gradual increase in the level from 26% after 1 week to 47% after 3 weeks (using 100mg dose). This suggests that the extract may influence the DHEA production, which would in turn subsequently be aromatized to testosterone.

SHBG (Sex Hormone Binding Globulan) analysis showed that levels were reduced in 36% of the cases after one week. The reduction went up to 66% after 3 weeks. This suggests that the extract could have an effect on the production of SHBG. (Reduction in SHBG indicates less protein to bind with androgen and therefore more free androgen for use by organs. A reduction will also reduce fat production.)


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Data from Independent Study of 5 Healthy Men, San Francisco, CA

Dosage: 200 mg/day for 10 days

Testosterone test type - Saliva



Volunteer Age Pre-treatment ng/dl blood After Treatment ng/dl blood
1 26 860/30 1650/50
2 35 875/40 1576/60
3 42 650/20 875/30
4 52 450/25 765/35
5 24 950/45 2210/55

Participants showed a significant increase over 10 days in serum testosterone level.





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