Tren and Winny

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swolja

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• Sep 20, 2004

• #1

I was looking to do a lean bulk starting soon, but plans have changed and i need some opinions.

I was goign to run EQ, tren, winny, and maybe some Prop (if i could get it). My job is a little too conservative (and just got more so) to be blowing up like a balloon. Now what i'm looking to do is just get leaner and add some muscle, but nothing too crazy.

What i was thinking was tren and winny. 100mg ED transdermal tren and 50mg EOD winny injec, maybe drinking another 50mg EOD on the days i don't inject. 6 weeks each--start same time.

I heard that taking winny with tren reeduces the chances of gyno sides. True?

And, thoughts on cycle. Afraid to get too big.

oh, i'm 5'9" , 193lbs, ~11.5% BF

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 20, 2004

• #2

do test prop/tren but use a needle instead of transdermal. You can add eq too but winstrol is too expensive for what you want. You'll get GREAT results with this cycle!

 

MMX2

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• Sep 20, 2004

• #3

Add femara at 2.5mg EOD and you won't blow up like a balloon. Also if you don't want to inject, just drink the winny 25mg 2x a day. I woudl also, as was stated do the tren injectable at 100 mg- you will be disappointed with the transdermal results. Remember diet will drive your results. Good luck.

 

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swolja

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• Sep 20, 2004

• #4

I can prolly injec the tren, but i'll have to make it at my buddy's house. I can't do it at mine at the moment. That's the reason for the transdermal.

I had heard that the anti-e properties in winny were good for countering the possible side effects of tren. That's why those two together. I don't know that i'll be able to find any Prop. I'm also scared that i'll gain too much (bad for job).

Thoughts on just Winny and Tren? If i could find it, would Prop make me gain too much? Could i get away with taking it for only 6 or 8 weeks?

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #5

do the prop/tren with eq. You won't gain too much weight if that is what you are worried about, since you aren't using dianabol or a test that gives you water retention(besides prop) you won't gain too much weight. The weight you do gain is very lean and hard muscle while staying cut, if your diet is clean of course.

 

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Lord Odin

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #6

Good info Carlsky...nice to see our members helping each other out as we are all family and take care of each other here...MMX2-always the same dam good advice...Ha!Ha!

Trenbolone Acetate I presume? The femara is an excellent addition too....would have to bump MMX2 on that. Excellent info on this thread.

Stay True to the Iron!!

 

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BiggerStronger

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #7

I concur with the rest...lol

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #8

tru dat brudas'

 

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swolja

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #9

Thanks guys.

The only problem i might have is finding some Prop. I'm not as 'well connected' as i used to be. I'll have to check into it. If i can get it, will 6 or 8 weeks be OK? Also, how many mg if i'm pinning EOD? 100mg? 150? Same for Tren. 150mg?

Is it OK to mix it so that i can cut down on the number of injecs a week?

I know i have a lot of questions. Thanks for taking the time.

 

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Lord Odin

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #10

Yes it is okay to mix it, would not inject more than 4ccs at a time though...

150mg EOD for both should be fine...you should get some phenominal results. Good luck on the cycle bro

Stay True to the Iron!!!

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #11

wow,wow,wow, 150 mg of tren EOD? That's kinda harsh bro. I was thinking 75-100mg EOD for him. Tren is pretty damn powerfull!

 

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swolja

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #12

Just so everyone knows, i've never taken Tren. I've done 4 or 5 cycles in as many years, though. Usually kept to 6 to 8 weeks, though 2 were longer. Just not with tren.

Hope that puts things into perspective. Sorry.

And what if i can't find any prop? Should i add something else or just run it as is?

 

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swolja

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #13

Also, keep in mind, it's not just the bloat i'm worried about, but getting too big. I usually gain fairly easy, especially when on. I can't look like a gorilla where i work. It's kinda conservative.

 

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Lord Odin

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #14

Swolja...yea brother, bump down the dosage for Tren to what Calrsky said...

Carlsky, good looking out bro...I answer so many questions/day...even I am bound to err, with this being your first time on tren and your cycle history, Carlsky is exactly right....75-100mg EOD on the Trenbolone acetate...

Thanks Carlsky, nice looking our Iron Bro..

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #15

Thanks dawg, I try my best to help these fellas out.

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 21, 2004

• #16

don't worry, like I said you won't have that gorrilla look like when on d-bol or test cyp. This is a good solid mass-building cycle. You'll be pretty chipped up with cycle also! Oh, and tren is the shit!

 

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mikeswift

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• Sep 22, 2004

• #17

great post with lots of options

keep your diet in mind when on whatever cycle you decide and it will dictate what your gains are... now if I could only practice what i preach!

Seriously if you start feeling like you're getting "too big" then back off the calories a little and try for more quality gains

 

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swolja

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• Sep 23, 2004

• #18

I know.

When i was 19 i started working out with a competetive BB. He taught me about diet and what not.

Right now i'm getting around 300g protein a day. Probably anywhere from 50g-120g of carb a day, and i don't really count fat. I eat a lot of beef, but other than that, i don' think i get that much fat.

While 'on' i plan to take in at least 350g of protein per day. Maybe as high as 400g. I'll probably up carbs to 150g and see what happens there. So i'll probably only be getting around 2500-3000 cal a day. I know i can gain on that amount, so i'll just have to see what happens when these other 'factors' are thrown in.

 

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carlsky

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• Sep 23, 2004

• #19

That's howmI learned! An amateur bodybuilder by the name of Larand Hope. Anyways your cycles should last loner than 8 weeks. 10-12 is the optimal length for a cycle.

 

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swolja

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• Sep 23, 2004

• #20

I know, but i don't want to take tren for more than 6 weeks, and winny is best run for six. It just fits. I'll run the prop for 8 weeks.

What do you guys think? start the prop 2 weeks before i start the other stuff or start it all at the same time and let the prop run two weeks over?

I've run several cycles for 6-10 weeks in the past. I know it's not advised, but i always end up being happy with what i get from it.

Also, i've been looking at that IGF Lr or whatever that MC is selling. Now, if it can help create new muscle cells and the AAS help mature them quickly, would that be a great addition to what i'll already be doing? It seems like it.