Weird injection happening?

I just got done with my quad injection. I was planning on the right but ended up having to do the left...let me explain.


I had the syringe loaded up with 3 cc's and was ready to go. I stuck the lin in and hit a nerve so I re-spotted it a liitle more on the outside. I go in like a hot knife through butter (which is weird becuase I usually get all the pops from my quads).

So I go to aspirate and I dont see any bubbles. So I try and pull back even harder, and still nothing. I pull the pin out a fragment and pull, with still no bubbles. I pull the whole pin out and look what's going on. I see a semi-clear, white-ish bubble in the syringe. It's def not mixing with my profina. It's heavier than the oil because it moved so freely in the syringe.

I pushed it out. It had no odor. Just looked almost like the wet, runny puss when you squeeze a zit.

At first I though I hit a pocket that had not dissapated just yet. But wouldn't that have mixed-in with my profina?

What happened?

You're going to have to excuse my ignorance when it comes to injecting in quads because I've never done it, but from doing it in the glutes for over five years, something sounds funny here. Unless injecting in quads is really different from glutes, from what I understand about injecting, you should not see any bubbles at all when pulling back to see if you hit a blood vessel, plus you should not have to pull it back very hard and you should leave the needle where it is. It sounds to me you pulled in some "bodily fluids" like lymph or something like that, especially because you pulled out a bit. If you had already injected something there before not too long ago, then you probably pulled some of that in mixed with body fluids because it takes a while before it dissipates throughout the muscle.

As you say, if you hit a pocket (a pocket of something you already injected earlier?) that hadn't dissipated yet, I don't think it would have mixed with the profina because what is there is already reacting with your body thus changing its composition.

Jay, when you say you usually get pops when inserting the needle, do you mean that you are pushing it though scar tissue most of the time? If so you may have withdrawn the begining of an abcess from a previous injection.

Tony, the bubbles he is talking about are formed from causing a vacumn in the syringe when aspirating. If the needle tip is in muscle tissue when you aspirate nothing will come in to the syringe and a vacumn bubble is formed in the liquid. If you are not seeing this when injecting your glutes you are not pulling back on the stopper hard enough.

Yeah, the pops are scar tissue.

I'm growing very weary of quad injects as of late. I hit the most nerves there, my buddy hit his lympth and his whole leg from the knee down sweeled up like he had elephantitus, and it has the most scar tissue.

May be time to retire the old quads.

Oh, and thanks guys for the imput.

u should rotate and reuse an injection site at minimum once every 7 days to reduce scaretissue build up, and quads have like 4 major ligimants running through them unlike glutes,, HUGE difference

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Im no authority on quad injections mind you .....im too much of a pussy to do em.........but unless you have some massive quads....which perhaps you do......aint 3ml a shit load of oil for a quad.......seems like an abcess waitin to happen bro.
I know when I aspirate my glutes....i always have to draw very hard......always see atleast a couple tiny bubbles...and only once had to re-insert because I filled er with blood. If the substance you drew out was the beginnings of an abcess......then I feel for you bro.....i hope it aint!!!!! keep us posted.

There is really no need to asperate so hard that you see bubbles, actually, when you see bubble you are basically creating enough presure to pull the gas out of a liquid (hence the bubbles), and the possibility of collapsing a surronding vien is possible.You are only needed to pull enough to see if you can draw blood through the syringe, which is basically just as viscus as the material you are putting in,so the same presure you inject with, so just a smaller pull, or flick will do.

(quote from buff doc...an M.D.)

1) The thin-walled vein collapses onto the needle tip from the negative pressure your aspiration creates. Imagine sucking forcefully through a very flimsy straw or other tube: it collapses from the suction, or negative pressure. Especially with smaller needles, 23 and up, the negative pressure can be very high (it's enough to bring dissolved gas out of liquid solution, which accounts for the bubbles you see when aspirating, but I'm digressing). When the vein collapses around the needle tip, it occurs instantaneously; there's no TIME for any blood to get in the needle
2) The bevel of the needle (the oblong hole) can be up against the wall of the vein; in this case, the needle simply grabs the tissue of the vein wall by suction, and no blood gets in to flash in the barrel of the syringe.
Hope that's helpful.

Recon, I regularly inject 3mls in my quads, but 2ml is the most I recommend to others.

Willieman, that is a good thought provoking post. I always aspirate hard enough to see bubbles. When I see the bubbles I know that I have put enough pressure on to draw blood.

Two or three times I have hit veins and drawn blood when aspirating and it took little pressure to get the blood into the syringe. In fact I pulled the stopper back to the very end of the syringe each time it happened.

I will continue to pull back hard enough to see the bubbles, however, I will make sure that the pressure is applied slowly up until that point to prevent sucking the smaller veins shut.

Very nice post EM. My sentiments exactly.

I'm 5'10" 270 and my quads/legs are my strong points. 3 mls is okay for me.

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good info bro