human Vs Vet

I beleive I asked this question a while back but never received an answer. Take these underground labs for example. Some of them say "human grade". So what is the difference between their human grade and Qv? Their methods of sterilazation could be just as good or bad as the QV. Am I missing sumtin???

Elmonizzle said:

I beleive I asked this question a while back but never received an answer. Take these underground labs for example. Some of them say "human grade". So what is the difference between their human grade and Qv? Their methods of sterilazation could be just as good or bad as the QV. Am I missing sumtin???

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Call me crazy, but the manufacturers of QV and Denkall are manufacturing their products strictly for human consumption. If they had sub-grade quality control, people would be having multitudes of health problems and their reputations as companies would be destroyed. Thousands of people on these message boards alone use these products from Mexico with much success. The difference, I assume, is they are not HELD to the same quality control standards as human grade pharmaceuticals. This is how they can sell their products at large volume and at a low price, by classifying them as "Vetrinary Products" So, realistically in a worst case, you may get an underdosed product, or even less likely a dirty product. Underground labs are exactly the same, they are not held to any FDA standards. I would trust a large outfit like QualityVet or Denkall over a small fly-by-night underground. Also, personally the only mexican brands I trust are QV and Denkall based on personal use and research.

Well I agree with you. I used an UG lab called EQL(europe Quality Labs) this was quite a while ago. I ordered some prop. It was very good stuff. But now in days its really scarry ordering from these ugls. Because everytime your hear of a bust you always hear the "lab" was at their house. Which means it was in the bathroom,kitchen or garage. So yes I do feel safer with Qv,Dnkall. By no means am I putting any UGLs down. I am just saying what I feel. but its only my opinion not a fact.... Anyone else care to comment on this?

on another note, vet grade products such as b-12 and antibiotics are not held to the same standards as human grade...they contain a little more impurities.
Not sure if this is the same standards for gear.

you say "they were made in their kitchen or bathroom" I have made my last 2 cycles and I make mine at the kitchen table but I am very careful how I handle every thing but I would trust what I make over SOME of the mexi-gear how ever my first 2 cycles were vet grade so I think it is a 50/50 chance on what you take I say this because I have seen some of the best fakes out there that could be anything in them you have to find someone you trust and hope they never go bad !

be careful

Shiko is exactly right, it is about using a reputable UGL. They are overdosed and overfilled. The reputable UGL do for more than $$$$, they do it for thier name. I can name of 15 UGL right now that has excellent prices, quality, and T/A. It would make QV and Denkall look like fly by night operations. Then the stuff is copied and fakes sooo much, it is a 50/50 chance that you actually are taking gear at all. I am speaking from experience and lab tests.

These UGL buy pharmaceutical grade AAS, then basicly rebottle it with their labels. They buy the raw materials and powders in bulk at wholesale and then mix or process them. Beleive me, I would much rather take my chance on the UGL that has its name and customers to lose, than the big company where they have underpaid mexicans working for $2.00/hour making my gear...

Simple logic...I have seen it, beleive me.

Well said Lord

Lord Odin said:

Shiko is exactly right, it is about using a reputable UGL. They are overdosed and overfilled. The reputable UGL do for more than $$$$, they do it for thier name. I can name of 15 UGL right now that has excellent prices, quality, and T/A. It would make QV and Denkall look like fly by night operations. Then the stuff is copied and fakes sooo much, it is a 50/50 chance that you actually are taking gear at all. I am speaking from experience and lab tests.

These UGL buy pharmaceutical grade AAS, then basicly rebottle it with their labels. They buy the raw materials and powders in bulk at wholesale and then mix or process them. Beleive me, I would much rather take my chance on the UGL that has its name and customers to lose, than the big company where they have underpaid mexicans working for $2.00/hour making my gear...

Simple logic...I have seen it, beleive me.

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agreed !

My understanding is that Mexican labs like QV are 'veterinarian' companies so that they can operate above the board in Mexico w/o getting the kinds of legal things you need if you were a human steroid company-by being a veterinarian lab they don't really have to be 'underground' company and don't have restrictions imposed on them..

Well Flanker you just summed up the argument for Human Grade gear...they don't have restricitons or regulations imposed on them such as a human grade pharmaceutical company has...Not as much quality control measure either. Now as far as a UGL, they have their name to lose....to me that is more valuable than the Mex companies have...

Lord Odin said:

Well Flanker you just summed up the argument for Human Grade gear...they don't have restricitons or regulations imposed on them such as a human grade pharmaceutical company has...Not as much quality control measure either. Now as far as a UGL, they have their name to lose....to me that is more valuable than the Mex companies have...

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Odin, how do you figure the Mexican manufacturers don't have their name to lose? I enjoyed the points you made earlier in the thread, you've been around a lot longer than I, and you know the ins and outs of the scene. But I must disagree as to saying the Mex labs have nothing to lose. The reputations of these companies are based on the people who buy their products solely. They can't really advertise, they rely on word of mouth. By consistently providing a quality product, they are able to maintain their reputation in the market place.

How about we say this, both mexican and and UGLs have names to loose but not always will you get what you pay for. Its all based on luck. I am sure there have been cases where mexi gear was alot cleaner and dosed properly than ugl gear and vise versa. Stick with what works for you and thats that. Agreed?