first time gear help.

I have never used gear before, and am still in the process of researching everything. I'm 22 years old, weigh 208, 5'9. I have been lifting weights since i was 14, but i got serious and lifted straight for about 6 years. My diet is ok, i get in about 320g of protein, and as for carbs, i go for as much as possible, and lots of fats doesn't bother me cause its all mostly from natty pb. I have a simple plan, but i dont know how effective it is. I am thinking about a cycle lasting for 10 weeks of dbol 20mg/day with deca 200-300 mg/week. . Nolva will be taken through the cycle and pct will be clomid for 5 weeks. The purpose for this cycle is to put on more muscle mass, and build bigger noticable muscles, i mean NOTICABLE. I understand that i will have to increase my protein intake as well because of deca. I am concerned about side effects but at low dosages i'm not gonna sweat it. Concerning test i'll try it for another cycle if i do another cycle. My questions are: am i too young to start gear? Will i be able to keep most of my newfound strength and muscles afterwards. Based on your experiences, how much of an increase in muscle size and strength can be achieved? How much money will this cost(i havent got anything yet). Thanks guys.

well 22 y/o is a littl young to start but if you feel that you have reached your genetic potential then you can think about it now as for your cycle I hope that you are not going to run the d-bol for 10 week at the most for a 1st cycle I would say no more than 4 weeks on the Deca 300mg will give you nice size gains but without test you are going to get shut down and your sex drive and libito (sp) is going to sink into the toilet !

my first cycle was d-bol 40mg ed wks 1-4 deca 300mg a wk wks 1-8 and sust 250 @ 500mg a wk wks 1 -8 and I gained 24lbs in that 8 weeks

just my opinion I would not run deca without test

hope this helps
best of luck

I think you should go with that dbol 40mgs at 5 weeks and 500mgs of test enanthate EW for 1-10. I wouldn't run deca without a test either.

I argee with the guys, add test 5-600 enanthate would be my choice. I've done deca alone, got strenght and size but didn't keep much of either. I am a firm beleiver in the benefits of stacking. I would rather see you add eq than deca, I feel the gains are leaner and can be kept easier. I would do this

test wks 1-12 @5-600
eq wk 1-12 @ 4-500
dbol 30 ED for first 4-6 wks.

a cycle like this will yeild 20+ lbs if you eat and train right.

thanks for the input guys, i'll definately have to add in the test e. if 22 is young i can wait till i'm a little older (like 24 at the most). I'll go over what you all said and figure things out.

raiden said:

thanks for the input guys, i'll definately have to add in the test e. if 22 is young i can wait till i'm a little older (like 24 at the most). I'll go over what you all said and figure things out.

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That is the thing- Have you looked at your diet before you came to this decision?
Most people have problems because they are not eating or eating enough.
Look at this first before getting serious about doing a cycle. If that is not in place, then the AS wil really be a waste and you will be disappointed.

deca and dbol without test is a mistake in my opinion. Need the test because the Deca will suppress HPTA really hard. I think the best thing to start out on is sus -- can make a fine cycle on its own with no help.

mmx2 said:

That is the thing- Have you looked at your diet before you came to this decision?
Most people have problems because they are not eating or eating enough.
Look at this first before getting serious about doing a cycle. If that is not in place, then the AS wil really be a waste and you will be disappointed.

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i think my diet is ok for building muscle, but i could always improve it. I have 9 meals/day, and i get in about 320g of protien daily from monday through thurday, and saturday. Friday and Sunday is a little less protein, maybe around 250g cause I dont drink my meal replacements on those days. my carb count is roughly 386g/day. My fat content is coming from flax oil and natty pb, and i eat the pb at 3 different times during the day with my meals. There is also probably fat in my regular dinner meal as well, which is meal #8. The carbs and protein together equal 2834 cal., so the fats probably bring it close to or over 3k calories. On fridays i go calorie crazy and have a cheat meal, which could a bigass cheesesteak, or a pizza pie, whatever i'm craving that has high cals. This diet was designed for bulking purposes
At this point i definately wont run a dbol deca only cycle, i'll probably do test e with either deca or eq, because of what brew said. Still learning though.

reviving this thread

I have new plan now for a first cycle

test e. 400mg/wk for wks 1-10
deca 250mg/wk for wks 1-10
dbol 20mg/day for first 4 wks

I chose these amounts to cycle because I dont want excessive leftover gear by the end of my cycle, and moneywise its as cheap as i can make it on myself.

I will have nolva on hand and a pct w/clomid afterwards. I am gonna continue my diet which i posted above, and in addition i'm gonna throw in some meal replacements so i can bump up my protien close to 400g. What do you guys think? I posted my stats and stuff in this same thread above.

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raiden said:

I have new plan now for a first cycle

test e. 400mg/wk for wks 1-10
deca 250mg/wk for wks 1-10
dbol 20mg/day for first 4 wks

I chose these amounts to cycle because I dont want excessive leftover gear by the end of my cycle, and moneywise its as cheap as i can make it on myself.

I will have nolva on hand and a pct w/clomid afterwards. I am gonna continue my diet which i posted above, and in addition i'm gonna throw in some meal replacements so i can bump up my protien close to 400g. What do you guys think? I posted my stats and stuff in this same thread above.

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much better! if those dosages are the most you can get for your money then that's fine, diet is the most important key.

and being your first cycle that dose is fine without causing to much aromitization for ya.
Now you need to do a pct and ancillaries schedule for your cycle, this is a must always!!!!!

Crimsonsweat said:

and being your first cycle that dose is fine without causing to much aromitization for ya.
Now you need to do a pct and ancillaries schedule for your cycle, this is a must always!!!!!

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i have my pct schedule figured out. i'm glad i finally have a descent cycle figured out, i'll most likely be starting it mid december when shcool is over. thanks for the input guys.

Do you guys know that their are no other internet sites that have more knowledge about AAS than MC?

this place rules

nydeacon1980 said:

Do you guys have some internet sites to buy gear?

thanks

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shiko24 said:

well 22 y/o is a littl young to start but if you feel that you have reached your genetic potential then you can think about it now as for your cycle I hope that you are not going to run the d-bol for 10 week at the most for a 1st cycle I would say no more than 4 weeks on the Deca 300mg will give you nice size gains but without test you are going to get shut down and your sex drive and libito (sp) is going to sink into the toilet !

my first cycle was d-bol 40mg ed wks 1-4 deca 300mg a wk wks 1-8 and sust 250 @ 500mg a wk wks 1 -8 and I gained 24lbs in that 8 weeks

just my opinion I would not run deca without test

hope this helps
best of lu

ck

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You are saying 22 is too young ....is that only with certain products

Because I am 19 yrs and need some weigh gain ..I am 5-10 145 in a sport and need to gain and keep 15 lbs of muscle within 2-3 months.

It is my understanding that I should stay away from Deca because stay in body too long...so I thought light amt at my age and first time maybe 20 d-bol / day wks 1-4 and 400 test or 250 sus / week wks 1-8

I know you guys are going to say too young but I need 15lbs and I am in the weigh room 4 days per week and not gaining fast enough

1st cycle suggestion for a skinny guy please

First of all dude- you are the same guy that open posted about looking for a source (you just created a new user) but I will deal with that in a few minutes. I think you have a much bigger issue here- your diet more than likely sucks. I find it very hard to put on the amount of muscle you want in such a short period of time without eating. No matter how much AS youy throw in it isn't going to matter much unless you eat. You need to keep AS out of the equation . Evaluate your rest and diet first. Building muscle takes years.
It's really not going to happen overnight even with adding AS.
Trust me, I have been there.

MMX2 said:

First of all dude- you are the same guy that open posted about looking for a source (you just created a new user) but I will deal with that in a few minutes. I think you have a much bigger issue here- your diet more than likely sucks. I find it very hard to put on the amount of muscle you want in such a short period of time without eating. No matter how much AS youy throw in it isn't going to matter much unless you eat. You need to keep AS out of the equation . Evaluate your rest and diet first. Building muscle takes years.
It's really not going to happen overnight even with adding AS.
Trust me, I have been there.

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First I was not hiding that is why I am Bigmistake

I thought the boards were secret and I could ask what turned out to be a wrong thing to ask ...sorry

I eat alot of calories and protein but I train with weighs and my st sport and I burn the calories....I dont see any other way than AS

I made a mistake because I did not know ...I am not a cop but I found you guys looking on the net for AS. I thought I could come on here for advice to gain some muscle safely. Sorry for not understanding that this is tracable info or whatever.

It's hard to say who you are behind a computer,,, but in regards, this site is for discussion about weightlifting, health forum and other supplements discussion...No source posting, asking or refer...Read the rules bro...

bigmistake said:

First I was not hiding that is why I am Bigmistake

I thought the boards were secret and I could ask what turned out to be a wrong thing to ask ...sorry

I eat alot of calories and protein but I train with weighs and my st sport and I burn the calories....I dont see any other way than AS

I made a mistake because I did not know ...I am not a cop but I found you guys looking on the net for AS. I thought I could come on here for advice to gain some muscle safely. Sorry for not understanding that this is tracable info or whatever.

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List your diet and let us see if your diet is lacking. What type of sport are you taking about?
As far as boards being secret- nothing is secret- everything is trackable.