Kick off orals a waste?

Going thru my upcoming cycle in my head laying in bed last night, I was wondering about whether or not these orals are really necessary or are just for impatient people who want to see gains in size and strength quickly. Now, don't get my wrong, im not saying that this is true...just wondering whether or not it is. Here was my logic.

Nearly everyone will tell you not to do a stand alone oral cycle (i.e a dbol/drol only cycle) as you will lose nearly everything afterwards, whether it be water weight or muscle. Now, most people will say to use them to help kick off the cycle. Why does taking them with injectables all of a sudden help you keep the gains as compared to just doing alone? Is it really that you DO lose most of the gains from the orals, but by this time the injectables have kicked in and most will not realize what they have lost from their orals.

I don't know....what do you guys think?

I've found Orals can be of good benefit when staked with a regular bulk cycle, the water retention helps you add the weight necessary to grow the muscle and lets the protein and nutrients transport to the muscles for bigger pumps, then when your done bulking dropping the Orals and you drop the water and start sculpting that mass.

A good bunch of bro's use orals for their first cycle if they arent totally unsure of the commitment. the results are soon lost but the easy gain in size really wets the appetite to do something more substantial and retainable

kossdeh said:

A good bunch of bro's use orals for their first cycle if they arent totally unsure of the commitment. the results are soon lost but the easy gain in size really wets the appetite to do something more substantial and retainable

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So in other words...you're saying 'Yes, for the most part, orals are a waste'. Winny on the other hand seems to give better quality gains...but even those seem to drop off along with strength drop-off. One thing to think about tho, is that dbol and drol have been said to supposedly increase the release of IGF-1 which increases keepable muscle mass...

dbol is one of the most potent AAS out there.
it promotes drastic protein synthesis, great strength gains even at small doses.

it makes you feel good, makes you strong, and especially when combined with an other product (or 2) for synergy between compounds, it ROCKS.

Definatly one of my favourites/.

IMO dbol is for impatient people. Very few vets that I know of swear by taking dbol as a kick start. The answers you get are obviously opinion, but you'll find (at least I have), most of the experienced users are against.

I don't use dbol as a kickstart, I use it in short (6 week) cycles with other short lasting injectables making it an integral component of the cycle.

Using test prop as a base with dbol and tren for 6 weeks will give you one of the most effective stacks possible. Sure test & tren alone are effective, but the dbols definately increase this stacks effectiveness.

Orals are perhaps more difficult to use or rely on if you are doing a long long cycle (12+ weeks) because of the 17-AA effects on the liver. But I never do long cycles like that anyways.

BRING ON THE D'S!!!

Archaic said:

IMO dbol is for impatient people./.

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I get impatient and the older I get the more of a head start I want
i know its a bad habit, but wada ya gonna do eh.

hey I never said that!

I disagree that all gains from the orals are quickly lost. Sure, some of the gains are lost -- especially the water. But there are still solid gains from dbol,drol, winny, etc. I think it is good sense to stack orals with injectibles -- but everyone's opinion differs.