as much strength as possible

I need some help. I weigh 240 pounds and need to get really strong for football next year. I have about 16% body fat. I have already purchased 10mls of test400, 10mls eq 200, and winstrol tabs. I can use these or am open to suggestions. I have taken one previous cycle of sust250, deca300, and winstrol tabs. As I said i need to get really strong by next fall. If any of you guys have and advice I would really appreciate it. I can get what ever you tell me so let me know type, amount, and how long.

do you get tested? if you do deca can stay in your system for as long as 18months? let us know if you get tested and we can tweak you from there...and do you want weight gain etc?

hey bro, get 3-4 more vials of test400 and eq and throw in some tren eth for more then 10 to 12 wks and throw in some d-bol for a kicker, and run it fr 12-16wks, i promise you wont be dissapointed. and DON'T FORGET PCT!!!What brand of test and eq do you have? also if u cant get tren eth get tren ace and go with 75-100mg eod.

I am not sure if i will get tested I just switched colleges and I was not tested at the previous one. I am not sure how it works.
I have denkall test 400 and qv enthenate and qv winstrol tabs. I don't reallly care about gaining to much weight but I need to be mobile, I am a fullback/linebacker. Hey bionic redneck, would you mind producing a schedual for me to print out. Thanks guys.

I do have weight to lose still so I can handle gaining a little. I don't want to be like 300 pounds though it will hurt my knees. I eat well and get a lot of exercise. I am trying to build the ultimate football machine. I am fast and need to get stronger to be unstoppable. With your help I hope to abtain that. Like I said I am willing to take anything I can get my hands on that will help me I don't neccesarily need to take what I have. You guys know more than me. Thanks

Iceman

your last post worries me a little because you're starting to sound a little desperate...

Just keep everything in perspective and remember that all the drugs in the world won't give you the heart, desire and the willpower to be a Champion. Running and training in the cold, in the heat, in the rain and in the snow are the things that will give you the iron skin needed to beat your competitors.

My brothers on the board will give you good advice on a cycle but find out what your College testing protocol is. What division school are you in? You don't want to throw away the future you could have had because you tested positive for doing a cycle that didn't give you what you needed anyway.

Be smart, be careful
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Good luck bro,
Mike

bro, if you are not sure about being tested than stay away from deca! test at 400mg a week eq at 300mg a week for 12 weeks. at week 6 start tren at 75-150mg EOD. this should give you some great stength gains!
be carefull bro! its not worth getting kicked out of school!!
good luck!

I am not desperate I just want to get bigger stronger faster. My school does not test but I don't think I want to take deca. I am training hard and am only takinhg steroids to give me an edge. I am a bigger person and can not get down to 200 puonds, so instead I need to be a massive fullback that will run you over. My coach told me I need to get stronger if I can't lose the weight and with my body type I can't. So I need to be the power back not the little quick one. Thanks for your advice am am also doing a acceleration program at a place called Frapier but need the strength to go along with it. I will be careful but need your guys help. I have only done one cycle and don't have a lot of knowledge or experience.

hey ice- i agree with blacktail 100%

Yeah, 10mls wont get you very far.

how old are you bro??? I wouldnt recommend using AAS if your younger than 22 and ill tell you why. First, your natural test levels are high already, you are naturally in your prime for muscle growth. Second, young people tend to jump the gun and are a little more inmature with serious things like AAS, this is a serious drug and you need a lot of reading and knowledge to do this right. There are more than a handful of people on these boards that will tell you that they didnt keep there gains from there early cycles cause they didnt read enough and didnt have the right knowledge on AAS. You can grow with the best of us AAS users, you need to eat a lot, do your cardio, and stay focused, you dont need any drugs yet, IMO!!!

Should I use dbol or winny with the test and eq. I have heard that dbol makes you gain weight. I took winny before because I heard it makes you keep your gains.

bro, answer Wheelz question... how old are you?

Winny and EQ are going to give you crazy pumps, pumps so bad in your calves that you won't be able to run 20 yards all out as I'm sure you'll need to do.

I've been a football player, adventure racer, marathoner and all around endurance athlete for almost 10 years now as well as an AS user and when trying to compete on cycle I always found it very very difficult to run. Not only because of the extra weight but because of the tendency to cramp and from the overwhelming pumps...

I am only 20. In football today it seems to me I can't keep up with others that are using. I have done one cycle previous to this one and it did help me a lot. I love footballl and want to continue to hang with the rest of my friends who are using. I am considering the risk but want to play and if I don't do a cycle before next year those who are will get an edge on me. Not to be arogant but I have always been strong and it bothers me that I almost have to use steroids to stay in the game. I respect all of you willing to help me a lot and I do need your help. Right now football is my life and I need to be good at it. I hate to lose and am willing to work hard to win.
MIKE-
If I take the steroids now I should be done with my cycle before acceleration training so I should be alright. I did my first cycle when I was 18 and I thought it did great things for me. I did that one this time of year and I was alright.

Thanks

it sounds like you have made up your mind about using aas. so maybe you will be better off just doing some good old fashioned research on these boards and get the info you need. i hate to see someone as young as you using gear bro, and i know many will agree with me

Iceman, how strong are you right now? You sound like a pretty big guy...240-250 sounds about the correct range of a fullback/linebacker. Do you have your lifting down pat? Are you squatting regularly? How much do you squat for 5 reps?

The reason I ask these questions is that you seem really intent on the drugs side of the equation, but your lifting is more important. I remember 12-14 years ago, once Barry Sanders said he squatted 600 lbs. for 10 reps, you started seeing _everybody_ doing squats. It is fundamental in football, and mainly if you are a running back.

My point is, drugs _can_ help, but the main priority is if you are busting ass in your training. You also need to find out the schools regulations that you are going to...one positive test can fuck you and haunt you for life in your field...especially if you end up good enough to go pro.

I am prety stong right now for a running back. I can bench 385. I can squat around 700. But the sick part of it is that their are now guys with smaller frames and they can keep up with me. They are small and still as strong as me and coaches like that. I am only 6' and these guys are smaller than me and a little quicker. As far as the pros go I have the right body type for that league but not for college. They want to half backs on the field or one big ass fullback. Thanks a lot for your concerns and advice i really appreciate it. I hope all of you don't think I am a dumb imature kid. I am in the pre-med program with a 4.0. I have a lot of respect for all of you willing to help people out. Thanks. Since I already have the test 400 and eq200 I think I will get a litttle more and also buy some dbol.

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I am prety stong right now for a running back. I can bench 385. I can squat around 700. But the sick part of it is that their are now guys with smaller frames and they can keep up with me. They are small and still as strong as me and coaches like that. I am only 6' and these guys are smaller than me and a little quicker. As far as the pros go I have the right body type for that league but not for college. They want to half backs on the field or one big ass fullback. Thanks a lot for your concerns and advice i really appreciate it. I hope all of you don't think I am a dumb imature kid. I am in the pre-med program with a 4.0. I have a lot of respect for all of you willing to help people out. Thanks. Since I already have the test 400 and eq200 I think I will get a litttle more and also buy some dbol.

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You sound like you really have your head on straight bro. You also are one strong mofo. Since you can squat 700 lbs, I truly think you already have the strength area covered. Put it this way, I _really_ don't think you getting any stronger is going to be the make-or-break factor since you are already so strong. I really think that what is going to be the fine line at this point is simply genetics...your reaction/response time to read and react to a play, your desire, your heart...many of these intangibles you are born with and cannot be 'taught'. I would suffice to say Ray Lewis is not nearly as strong as you are in the weight room...see my point?lol Propz for having the bases covered in the strength area....keep doing what you are doing and give it your all...thats all you can do.

As for gear, I really don't think you need it at this point. Now if you would have said you have a 400 squat and a 250 bench, then yes, but what good is gear going to do you at this point? Once again, for example, I really don't think increasing your squat from 700 to 800 or your bench from 385 to 450 is going to make much of a difference at this point. Just remember, strength is key in football, but there is _much_ more to football than strength alone. Since you are already so strong, if I were you I would work on other skillz that you can improve upon, ie, reaction time, speed, endurance, etc.

Just my take

hey thanks man for the advice and compliments. I am doing an acceleration program in the spring and that should help. I do work hard and I guess strength has always been my meal ticket. It just kind of sucks that people are closingin on me and I want to resist that. BUt thanks for all of you good advice.

being a fullback u dont really need hella speed a 4.7 should so.but get some more of the same and add some more winny at the end do alot of stretchin and light cardio. also pm me what college u play for i'm curious.