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MMX2
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I think you mean synthol. I have never tried it but know other that have with prety good results. I have injected prop and winny into lagging body parts, but have resisted doing the synthol but I think this coming contest season, I will have to break down and do it( my arms are lagging body parts).
Typical use is just like AS injections- 1cc per muscle head(i.e inner and outer head of muscle) per day for no more than 2 weeks. Rest one week and begin the process again.
You do not have to mix it with with anything.
Like AS, I would suggest you massage the site after injection.
You can hypothetically inject it in the bicep, tricep, delts, some people do the chest and lats and occasionally the calves. I would really suggest you know your anatomy( vessels, veins, etc) before you inject the oil.
Typical use is just like AS injections- 1cc per muscle head(i.e inner and outer head of muscle) per day for no more than 2 weeks. Rest one week and begin the process again.
You do not have to mix it with with anything.
Like AS, I would suggest you massage the site after injection.
You can hypothetically inject it in the bicep, tricep, delts, some people do the chest and lats and occasionally the calves. I would really suggest you know your anatomy( vessels, veins, etc) before you inject the oil.
irishpride
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ask greg valentino...he is a fuckin assclown who abused this shit out of it...
crank
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From what I've read, I dont' like Synthol.
Why would you want to use it?
If you are really trying to look bigger synthetically (Not real muscle), you can go get implants for any muscle you want. It's 100x's safer than using synthol and it's permanent (Unless you want to get them taken out later).
You can now get Calve implants, Ab Implants, Bicep Implants, Pec Implants, any damn muscle implant you want.
Why would you want to use it?
If you are really trying to look bigger synthetically (Not real muscle), you can go get implants for any muscle you want. It's 100x's safer than using synthol and it's permanent (Unless you want to get them taken out later).
You can now get Calve implants, Ab Implants, Bicep Implants, Pec Implants, any damn muscle implant you want.
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EatingMachine
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I believe that most of the top pros use it to get the size and proportions that they want. I have researched it a bit and would not be opposed to trying it if it were not so expensive.
If I were to use it I would mix it with my regular injectables (in the syringe) and spot inject it starting with low doses and working up.
It basically works by holding a pocket in the muscle which eventually fills in with new muscle fibers.
What most people associate with synthol is the abuse that is obvious when someone has a injected way too much right before a show as an attempt to build a non existent muscle. This is not the way to use it properly IMO.
I'll look for an article on the subject as I am not feeling to articulate with the words tonight. LOL
If I were to use it I would mix it with my regular injectables (in the syringe) and spot inject it starting with low doses and working up.
It basically works by holding a pocket in the muscle which eventually fills in with new muscle fibers.
What most people associate with synthol is the abuse that is obvious when someone has a injected way too much right before a show as an attempt to build a non existent muscle. This is not the way to use it properly IMO.
I'll look for an article on the subject as I am not feeling to articulate with the words tonight. LOL
EatingMachine
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give this some thought Zylo because I once thought the same as you. I did not copy the whole article, just the pertinant part.
How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.
Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.
Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
EatingMachine
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Oh, btw, big A wrote this article if I am not mistaken
crank
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Some good thoughts on the subject Eatingmachine. Enjoyed reading that info.
Is there any medical or legit proof that having the fascia stretched or not stretched actually does promote or inhibit muscle growth? Or is that just what it claims to do?
Where is some documentation that says that not having the fascia stretched inhibits muscle growth?
Interesting idea on the use of site oils though.
Is there any medical or legit proof that having the fascia stretched or not stretched actually does promote or inhibit muscle growth? Or is that just what it claims to do?
Where is some documentation that says that not having the fascia stretched inhibits muscle growth?
Interesting idea on the use of site oils though.
Big A
IFBB PRO, Admin
Well, if I'd post all the pertinant info from that thread, I'd flood this thread entirely, that's why the link.
Anyway, here's my article. Tons more info on that thread though which I will not paste as it's too much hassle.
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The most popular now are Synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil and Liquid Muscle.
Synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $149.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of over $100 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. The only official distributor for PnP is www.posingoil.com
Syntherol is my favourite simply because is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile, plus it hurts less and the results seem to be better - don't take my word for it, ask around! It's the same formula as Synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. Plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com
EsikClean - same formula as Synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 per bottle www.synthol-direct.com Plus these are the people that counterfited Chris Clark's PnP so one wonders how 'genuine' they are.
Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com
Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. www.liquidmuscle.com
There's a few other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile or just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.
Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.
To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.
If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.
What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.
Where to inject - BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.
TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.
DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.
CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.
QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.
I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.
How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.
Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
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Anyway, here's my article. Tons more info on that thread though which I will not paste as it's too much hassle.
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The most popular now are Synthol/PumpnPose, Syntherol, EsikClean, Nuclear Nutrition Site Oil and Liquid Muscle.
Synthol/PumpnPose is the original product. As such, it charges a lot of money and it's the most expensive variant as it relies on it's name to sell it - the cheapest found is $149.95. There must be a lot of fakes out there since the inventor of it, Chris Clark, charges a wholesale price of over $100 per bottle (and that's for large quantity), so there's no way that some outfits can retail it for $100. The only official distributor for PnP is www.posingoil.com
Syntherol is my favourite simply because is the only one that I know of that is made by a real pharmaceutical company, so guaranteed sterile, plus it hurts less and the results seem to be better - don't take my word for it, ask around! It's the same formula as Synthol/PumpnPose, with added silica, which is a safe way to make the gains more 'permanent'. Plus, it's cheap - $129.95. www.synthetek.com
EsikClean - same formula as Synthol, but it has colagen added. That makes it a very bad choice to use in my opinion. When you use site oils, the biggest problem is the formation of scar tissue. You don't want any scar tissue build up when you use site oils. Scar tissue is colagen buildup due to the trauma caused to the muscle by sticking a needle in there. As such, I would not help the build up of scar tissue in the muscle by injecting colagen. So, that's a bad choice. $100 per bottle www.synthol-direct.com Plus these are the people that counterfited Chris Clark's PnP so one wonders how 'genuine' they are.
Nuclear Nutrition Oil - is a very good product, which works quite well. It's exactly as Syntherol, plus the addition of a small amount of prohormones. I am not a big fan of prohormones due to the reason that they will give you more side effects than benefits. Also, because of the prohormones, you cannot import it into countries like Canada or Australia, where prohormones are illegal. Still a good product - $149.95 www.nuclearnutrition.com
Liquid Muscle - same as PumpnPose, but at $199.95 per bottle. However, I can't find too much about it and about who makes it, as it seems as a small outfit and as such I have trouble trusting it 100%, especially when I am supposed to inject their stuff into MY body. www.liquidmuscle.com
There's a few other brands, but the above are the most well known. The other brands available, I personally would not trust since they come from very small outfits, so you don't know whether they are sterile or just mixed together in somebody's 'bathtub'.
Site oils can be used for two purposes - to increase the size of a muscle or to shape a muscle.
To increase size, lets use the biceps for example. You need to inject in EVERY head of the muscle, while rotating the shots daily within that head. This is the only way to ensure that the added size keeps to your natural look/shape of the muscle. The quickest way to get a muscle up to maximum size is to do the following regimen: 1ml for 10 days in each head of the muscle. 2ml for 10 days. 3ml for 10 days. If you do both, the biceps and triceps simultaneously, you can add up to 3" on your arms in those 30 days.
Now, this is VERY IMPORTANT!!!: you HAVE to massage the area that you just injected SEVERELLY! You have to make sure that there's no lump forming. The muscle should always be soft. You should NEVER have a lump. It is also a good idea, to inject just before going to the gym, so as soon as you get to the gym, you should do a couple light weight, high reps sets for that muscle, to get the blood moving. This again will minimise lump formation. You have to keep in mind, that as soon as lumps form because you did not massage, scar tissue will form as well. You want to avoid scar tissue at all costs. Also, to minimise scar tissue build up, use VERY small needles, like 25g or 26g, inch or 1inch long (depending on the injection site) and inject VERY slowly. If you find that you cannot keep with the lump build up, but you are due for another shot, wait until, by massaging, the lump goes away (it should not be more than a couple of days) and then resume from where you left off.
If you have all the size you wish and just want to shape the muscle, as adding a peak on the biceps, then inject the spot, in the peak of the muscle, with 1ml every day or every second day until you obtain the peak that you desire.
What I recommend to people that are just starting out using these oils is to use 1ml per head of muscle per day, or every second day, for a week or so and see how they react to it. That way they can judge how many ml they can use per muscle head and how often.
Where to inject - BICEPS - inner and outer head. You can feel the `split' in between the two heads of the biceps when you feel with your other hand. Inject on each side of that. If you want to increase the length/thickness of the bicep, inject more in the inner head (closer to your body). If you want to increase the peak, inject more in the outer head.
TRICEPS - You don't need to inject in the outer/horseshoe head, unless it is really lacking behind. You inject in the middle and rear heads of the triceps. Generally, at the back of your arm, the upper portion is the rear head and the lower portion is the middle head, as the two heads overlap each other somewhat.
DELTOIDS - just inject straight into whatever head is lacking in size.
CALVES - Natural calves, no matter how big the are, have a `flat' look to the muscle. So you want to keep that look, you don't want to have your calves looking round like someone stuck an air hose in there. So, you inject in multiple shots, on the outside edges of the muscle. That will make the calf go outwards, while keeping the flat, natural look.
QUADS - With muscles this large, you need to do multiple daily injections. Where in the biceps you use 1ml per head per day to begin with, on quads you need to start with 1ml per site, 7 sites per quad. That is to avoid the `lumpy' look and keep the quad uniform. Again, to keep the natural look of the thigh, you should inject in the `peak' of the outer quad, injecting along the crest. If the teardrop is lacking, then just inject straight into it, rotating sites daily. I personally don't recommend quad shots, especially teardrop, due to the very high amount of nerves in the area.
I strongly recommend that you get some anatomy charts and study the muscles and the nerves that are in the area that you want to inject.
How do Site Oils work? To begin with, they do not stay in the muscle for 3 to 5 years. They get dissipated within months. However, during this time, they have stretched the fascia of that muscle. The fascia is a great constrictive factor in muscle growth. The more stretched the fascia is the more the muscle will grow and the more it will have that `popping' look. Site oils stay in there long enough for the fascia to stretch. As they dissipate, the `space' left by them is replaced with new muscle tissue growth. That is the reason why when x-rays where performed on some of the people that have 25"+ arms, there was no oil found in there. The oil dissipated and it was replaced by real muscle.
The principle is the same as the one behind site shots with steroids, but it works at a much a larger degree, because the Site Oils take that much longer to dissipate.
Pain - obviously, any site shot hurts. The pain will minimise the more you inject, until it will not hurt any more. Site Oils hurt, but not as much as site injections with, lets say, Sustanon. However, as I said, they will hurt less and less the more you use them. I currently put all my Sustanon in my biceps and I get no pain what so ever because the biceps are used with having stuff injected in them.
Dangers - Site Oils are safe, if certain precautions are taken, same as when injecting anything else. You always have to aspirate. Always! You DO NOT want the oil to go in a vein. Always massage the area after the shot so scar tissue build up doesn't occur. And most importantly - USE COMMON SENSE! If you have 16" arms, don't think that you will have 23" in 5 weeks! Because if you try that, you will end up with deformed looking muscles and you will be the laughing stock of the world, like Greg Valentino. Site Oils are there to help you break past a plateau. If your genetics indicate that you are 242 with 5% bf, but you only have 18" arms, then Site Oils will help you bring your arms in proportion.
All that I am saying is that Site Oils are there to aid the work that you do in the gym, not replace it!
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Big A
IFBB PRO, Admin
Zylo said:
Tons of medical references available if you do the search for it that proves that the fascia is a limiting factor in muscle growth.
That is the reason why fascial stretching massage works so well. Ask Parillo who could instantly put as much as 1" on the arms of some pros just by performing deep fascial massage.
Anyway, everything is detailed in my article.
site oils
big A thank you very much,that was exactly what i was looking for. this site is going to be most helpful who isn't going to read this and know that you know what your talking about. hope you are going to stick around on this site....if you go to another site pm me so i can stay in touch....i just ask simple questions and like a straight forward answer with out all the bullshit....thanks again
big A thank you very much,that was exactly what i was looking for. this site is going to be most helpful who isn't going to read this and know that you know what your talking about. hope you are going to stick around on this site....if you go to another site pm me so i can stay in touch....i just ask simple questions and like a straight forward answer with out all the bullshit....thanks again
Big A said:
I feel that one other aspect to consider besides sterility and quality of such a product is the possible long-term effects of these oils- particularly the silica derivitives- on one's immune system.
I have NO information that says these products are harmful, just some anadotical: Remember how brest implants used to contain silica based oils? When some unfortunate woman (or man i guess) had one leak, it could really do a number on her immune system. An autoimmune disorder is often very hard to diagnose and not at all fun.
Again- Maybe these products are totally safe, but one should REALLY research it before getting in to it.
Just my 2cents
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