Frontloading?

Ive been around a long time, and LOVE to do research on well, everything. But how effective is frontloading AAS like Test, Eq, Deca, ect.? If you were going to run a Test/Eq cycle at 500/400 for 12 weeks would it really be more benefitial to start weeks 1-2 at 750/550? Then weeks 3-4 at a little less, then flatten out to the 500/400 for the rest of the cycle? Ive heard lots of talk about not being able to feel Eq for almost 3 weeks sometimes. Would firing the cycle off at a higher dose get it kickin faster? Let me here some opinions.

Instead of frontloading i would run a short estered version of the same gear to help kick things off. Running the doses higher would make you more susceptible to sides that could occur. You could run some prop to help kick things off when you run enth.

What about some M1T for the first two weeks? Ive got a crap load of M1T, I must have bought $200 worth before it went off of the shelves. Maybe M1T at 10mg ED a week before I start and then the two weeks before the Test and Eq gets rolling and then stop, taking it for only 3 weeks? Could I use femera while on M1T, it gives me a killer bloat and nasty sides, but anything is better than prop!!! My shoulder is killing me right now LOL!

Man, i luv the stuff i run prop only cycles. Guess everyone reacts diff to it. I cant wait to run suspension for my next bulker.

As for the M1T i would ask Zylo he knows more about PH than i do. I personally steer clear of them. But from what i have read bout them you could jump start a cycle with it, it would be like jump starting with dbol.

Dont get me wrong, I like Prop, just after 6 weeks of EOD injections it gets kind of old. Also, If Im gonna do an inj. might as well fill up the tank with 3cc's or so instead of the 1cc at 100mg. Ive ran M1T and am pretty knowledgable about it, FOR BULKING only though, this cycle I want to STAY lean. Ive dropped 7lbs since on my Prop/Winny cycle, and told myself that if I can get down to 175 Ill treat myself with a mild lean mass cycle. With all the dieting and cardio, its pulling too much muscle off of me, it really is, and my strenght has went straight to hell. About 8 weeks after PCT from this one, Im gonna kick it back up again. Last cycle this year, I promise!

M1T at 15-25mg depending on experience with it and if you get sides at higher doses. I'm currently running M1T at 20mg a day and it's KILLING my appetite, and that is hard to do considering when bulking i'll eat upwards of 5000calories. So you may want to opt for D-bol, but considering your using eq which will enhance your appetite quite a bit, sure go ahead and kickstart with M1t. You could run it for 4 weeks if sides aren't bothering u.

And yes Femara would be fine, 2.5mg everyday throughout. I'm in the same boat as you about the M1T is STOCKED UP when I heard about the ban, I have around 1200pills lol.

Ive ran M1T a FEW times and everytime I get nasty sides after 3 weeks and really dont gain much anymore anyways. For this cycle Im looking to put on 10-12 LEAN lbs. Good hard looking mass. The whole reason for this cycle is so that my chest will pretty much catch up with everything else. I want to keep my BF% as low as possible and might consider doing light cardio and using Clen while on cycle to keep fat at a min. This is still gonna be a few months away, but I like to start research early and givemyself pleanty of time to get stocked up.

WHat kind of cardio r u doing???? If its long steady, instead do intervals, drills, etc. and you'll hold onto your weight more but loose the bf%. Still do the long steady but i wouldnt focus on it as much.

Right now Im switching between the stairmaster for 25-35mins and the elleptical machine for the same. Its not really long I keep my heart rate at about 145BPM. Right now Im trying to loose BF with prop/winny/clen/eca/cardio/diet.. all that great stuff. In a few months Im gonna hit the cycle noted above, just while on cycle I want to keep my BF% low. I dont know how much fat Test E and Eq will want to put on me so I always go in planning to keep my fat low.

Try High/Low method for holding onto LBM and dropping BF%

Primobolan would be a good addition to that stack, it's well known to work well on low-calorie diets, and will give you quality, bloat free gains.

hey Fonz, go into the High/Low method for me real quick for I have NO clue what you are talking about. You mean bounce it around a little, trick it up? One week at 400, next week at 500, then 450, then 550, something like that?

da_Fonz said:

Instead of frontloading i would run a short estered version of the same gear to help kick things off. Running the doses higher would make you more susceptible to sides that could occur. You could run some prop to help kick things off when you run enth.

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this is nonsense. you can't get side-effects from a steroid that's bound to an ester. it's effectively inert. you get side effects from the amount of free steroid kicking around in your body. let's say you're running an eq/prop cycle; the total amount of eq that you have running around in your body after being on for 6 weeks is more than double your weekly dosage. only then are you actually getting a released amount which is actually close to what you want for your weekly dosage.

i also don't like the idea of starting a cycle with a shorter ester. the whole idea is to get up to that steady-state plasma level of esterified steroid so you have a continual release. it's so much simpler to just front-load up to that amount immediately rather than run a second formulation while waiting for your levels of the first one to build.

the amount and duration of a front-load depends on the ester length of the compound you're running. deca/eq/cyp/enan would need the largest front-load and prop/tren acetate require the smallest. for cyp i like to double the dose for the first week, for eq i triple it. prop? double the first shot or two and that's it.

look at the exponential decay math for the reasoning behind these numbers if you're interested.

I'll def check it out Marble, thx.

As for high/low method or intervals or the other 1000 ways to call it. Its quite easy, and used for speed and agility commonly used for football, track, etc. Basically we'll talk about 2 since these are the easiest to do and require no real equipment on your part: Sprints (suicides) and stadiums (skip every other stair). Sprints, you would sprint for about 85% of your all out balls to the wall sprint for as close as to a minute as possible, then walk (slowly) for 1 minute and a half, you would repeat this for 12-15 minutes for starters including the off time. Believe me its not as easy as you think exp if you push yourself like you should, its not a jog or running, its sprinting. If you have access to a track well thats even better but for now this simple one will do.

As for stadiums (or stairs) you would sprint up the stadiums as fast as you can without tripping and peeling all the skin off your shins as you fall. If you dont have a stadium thats ok, use a stairwell and skip every other stair still sprinting up them as fast as possible. Same principle applies, fast up and slow down, and then repeat.

This form of cardiovascular training is very efficent in burning fat. Its more anaerobic than it is aerobic so you will want to also incorporate low, steady days to work the heart but believe me, this will lean you up as well as help your core. I wouldnt be surprised if ya throw up from doing these. Once you get good i reccommend a weighted vest to wear while doing the stadiums which i know of a company that is excellent if your interested.

Try them out and let me know how ya like them, also if ya dont have a heart rate monitor BUY one. This tool will make sure your heart rate is where its supposed to be in the high and low targets zones to make the process work well.

I have found that frontloading gives me a terrible test flu, I have been told that this is due to the shock the immune system gets by too much of one hormone too quickly, don't understand the science. You will get far better gains if you just wait for the cycle to really kick in after 3-4 weeks which is not really that long to wait anyway.

da_Fonz said:

Instead of frontloading i would run a short estered version of the same gear to help kick things off. Running the doses higher would make you more susceptible to sides that could occur. You could run some prop to help kick things off when you run enth.

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this is what i would do also

Southern Comfor said:

Ive ran M1T a FEW times and everytime I get nasty sides after 3 weeks and really dont gain much anymore anyways.

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I was just about to say the same thing bro

I gain the best on M1T for the first 2-3 weeks then it levels off. After that I get a little bit of acne and my joints start hurting.

I think the best way to run it is around 20mg / Day in short 2 - 3 week cycles or just use it at the beginning of a cycle instead of Dbol.

I remember 8 years ago we would front load sustanon for two weeks at 1cc ED.......We would have immediate strength burst due to the prop......Then we would grow like weeds from the test accumalation from the long esters in sust in the later weeks.

Nowadays we just use prop 100ED for the front load cause using that much sust gets expensive.