Need Help Coming Up With A Cutting Cycle

Chaps

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I've decided to do my first cycle this coming winter then 12 weeks later i'd like to run a cutter, my goal is to get FREAKY shredded. Clenbuterol and T3 are what i have decided on for fat burners, but i need some help deciding about what AAS to choose, i'd LOVE to do a test/tren/winny, cutter but I don't know if it would be wise using Tren in my second cycle. As far as duration i'm thinking of 12 weeks or so. I can get the following: primo, masteron, var, tren, test, eq, deca, halo, d-bol, drol, winny, just about anything, so feel free to encorporate whatever you'd like when coming up with a cycle.
 
I really like EQ for anything--bulk or cut. During a cut it can make you hungry, but it shouldn't be a problem.

Use test prop. as the base of your cycle. I'd run winny in there as well at some point.

Just using those two compounds and a clean diet, you can cut just fine. I think the prop/tren/winny combo is the greatest stack ever, but tren is a b@#!$. The main thing is if you can handle ED or EOD injections.

Primo and masteron are great, but pretty pricey if you're not competing.

Wait and see how you do on your first cycle, then firgure out how to structure the next one.
 
If you can handle ED or EOD injects go with test prop/tren ace/winny. Although I don't like winny too much myself due to the side effects. I.E. acne, and also seemed to aggrivate me mentally.

I will say I gained 25-30lbs and BF went down between 1-3% within 3 months on moderate dosages. 150 Prop/120 tren EOD 35-40mg Winny ED....and that was with a semi-decent diet. I had been sick for a while before that so my bodyweight was at an extremely low point. So, don't expect these type of results, but tren/test is definitely king. I wouldn't have had those kind of results on any other stack.
 
What about doses? I'd love to do the Test/Tren/Winny combo. How about something like this:

Week 1-12 Test Prop 100mg eod
Week 1-12 Tren Ace 75mg eod
Week 1-12 Winny Depot 50mg eod
Week 1-12 160mg Clenbuterol + Ketotifen

And then i'd toss T3 into the mix, and use HCG and Nolvadex for PCT.
 
Running tren that long might cause problems, but you FOR SURE don't want to run winny for that long. 6 weeks, 8 weeks MAX!

I'd go 150EOD on the test. 160mcg of clen is quite a bit, too. I've never gone above 140, myself.
 
This is what i've decided on:

Week: 1-12 150mg test prop eod
Week: 1-8 Winny Depot 50mg eod
Week: 1-10 Tren Ace 75mg eod

And i've run 160mcg of clen before no problem, BUT i have never used clen with Ketotifen so i'm sure i won't need that much.
 
Currently 267lbs, 6 2', 19, doing my first cycle when i'm 20, then 12 weeks later i'd like to run this cutter. Current bodyfat is around 15% give or take. I'm hoping to break the 300lb mark after my first cycle.
 
You're a big dude--especially for 19!

Just remember, cutting is about DIET, not gear. You can cut on test e, if you have to.

Make sure your diet is in check before you go running all this.
 
THis is what IM running right now if it helps.

100mg prop ed
50 mg tren ed
50 mg winny eod

Im on my 4th week. No pains, strength at peak, diet is clean. I tried to do clen, but I have a problem with cramping. I've gain 10 lbs (240) and lost an inch on my belly.
 
Ya i realize i'm quite big for my age, I started lifting at 12 and the biggest thing that has helped me so far is reading, knowledge IS power, I just read up on everything, drugs, training, diet etc and apply it to myself, except for the drugs (YET :) ).
 
And i do realize that Diet is key but I also realize that when I have my diet dialed in correctly that the drugs will enhance it. I'm mainly looking toward the drugs for their anti-catabolic properties to preserve/ build muscle while dieting, something Tren is legendary for. The only reason i'm going to be using steroids in the first place is that the physique i'm going for is one of cartoonish proportions, with FREAKY conditioning. Yes you can get big naturally, but not freaky BIG or FREAKY conditioned.
 
Run the winny for the first 6 and the tren for the last 8. Get you feet wet slowly with tren, I think 8 will be more than enough your first time. I would go with 100-75 or prop and then 75 of tren. Also drink the winny, you'll move around better,lol. I would go 35-40 ED with it also.
 
Ya that sounds like a good idea about the Tren i don't wanna over do it, so when drinking the Winny will i get 100% bioavailability? Or will some get broken down ? :upset:
 
I just finished reading the new article on here about tendon strengthing and which AAS is better for tendons, it has me wondering if Winny is such a good idea and if Var would be better, ya it will be pricey but if it means my tendons are stronger that's fine with me, also how long could i run teh Var for, and at what dose for a first time cutter? I'm just thinking Var may be better because I train powerbuilding style so I routinely use reps in the 5 rep or lower range for squats, deads etc.
 
winni will build tendons but makes them weaker so there is more of a chance for them to be injured...i think eq is good for the ligs or tendons
 
Ya that's what i'm looking at, cause with the Tren and test in their my strength will get a nice boost and i don't wanna have to back off on my weights because i'm worried about weak tendons. So what would be a good dosage for Var and how long could i run it? The full 12 weeks?
 
Thats the cutter i'm gonna run in a couple of weeks: prop 125mg ED/tren ace 50mg ED/winny50mg ED/t3 cycled throughout the 8 week cycle.
 
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