First Time Full Stack Cycle

I have been utilizing Gear for the last two years but have stuck to just one at a time usually Sustonon or Deca and one Test only cycle.
This time I went with Test Cyp @ 200, Deca @ 300, & EQ @ 200 a week. Which also made my first 3ml injection into the delt, boy that was fun. I am hoping for some good gains after the secound week of course. I am just wanting to insure this should produce some good quality gains. I am wanting to put on some good mass that should stick for a while. Please chime in with anything I should do different. I was wondering if it would be OK to inject the deca and EQ at the first of the week and the test in the middle or if it is truly better to put them all in on the same day at once. Stats are 5' 10" 230# 19% BF. Utilizing QV this time around.

OK, well first these are long esters so you wont see gains in 2 weeks b/c it hasnt even taken full effect. and how long r u running this cycle??? I would run it for a minimum of 12 weeks and I would run it for 15 weeks. Your gains come from diet, AAS is just a supplement to give the additional benefit ya get form trainin, eating, and restin properly. Keeping gains is all about proper PCT and eating correctly after to ensure the gains you make are kept. As for sticks i would say 2X a week for all three to make your levels stable.

Sust is not for beginners b/c to be effective ya gotta stick EOD.

I was planning on 12 weeks I gues I could go 15. Are you saying that I should double what I am taking and stick twice a week or spilt what I am taking and stick twice a week. My diet is pretty good, I am not looking to cut right now just put on size I am probally at about 6000 calories a day right now. Rest is a little hard with work right now busy season and all. Gym is 5 Days a week for about 2.5 hours a session.

Naw, i'm not saying double it. I saying i would just break it up into 2 shots. You may want to try to condense the session down a bit. Your body begins to produce cortisol after 1.5 hours of working out and that can hinder gains, or at least slow them down a bit.

so if I'm reading this right you're taking the above dosages a week? I don't think this is enough even for a beginner... I actually would double your test and EQ dosages so you're taking 400mg of test and 400mgs of EQ a week

I agree with Da Fonz, twice weekly would keep blood levels stabler. I would also at D-bol at 45mg daily, this should help bump up your igf-1 levels and kick start your cycle nicely, it's your choice either week 1-4 or 1-6. As far as ant-e's, i wouldn't use them unless gyno flares up then start up witn Nolvadex till it subsides. What's your diet like?

Thanks Bro, I will split the dosage, Is the amounts ok, I was responding really well to 500 a week of the sustenon which I ran for 8 weeks. I figured this was plenty. Any way thanks for the help. Oh ya I am using a 22 g 1" into the delts mostly. Could I push this through a 25 g. I was on www.spotinjections.com and they were recommending a 25 g for delts. Hell If I can get away with that i will switch NOW! I just thought the combination of these three was to thick to get through a 25g.

it all moves super slow with the 25's. ALL OF EM! but they are so much better.

200mg of cyp that is kind of low. ifr you ran sest at 500mg why would you drop down to 200. i agree with swift. if i were you id run the test at 600mg. but id do 300 2x/week or even 200 3x/week

He doesn't NEED to bump up the test because he has 2 other compounds in their, but a good addition would be D-bol.

Thanks I was thinking I would be fine with the three compounds to but it does seem I have fell a little short on my research I should have picked up some d-bol to but i did not. Would it be ok to start the d-bol on week 5-6, if so i will pick some up.

I only ran Sus at that level because it was the only thing I ran.

Ooooooo, dont run sust like that. Sust works best running EOD or ED even b/c of the blen of esters.

Great advise here so far, definately do cut your training times down. Hey it could always help you get more rest(since we all know muscle only really recovers during sleep). I would not start dbol on weeks 5-6 b/c your stack should have fully kicked in by then. I agree in terms of the injections but personally from everything I've ever known I would double all doses, just my 2 pennies worth though. :thumbsup:

OK Lets just do this a little different. DO I, OR DO I NOT NEED TO INCREASE the amounts. I really thought this was enough. I believe I respond good to AAS in general and work out hard enough that I should not have to increase amounts, however I do respect the opinions on this web page very much so lets here it.

I would at least bump up the test to 400/wk and split it into 2 different injections, like mon/thurs or something. If you respond very well and have no serious sides keep it where it is just bump up the test. Also to make sure you get the most out of it stay on for 12 weeks if not 15. Just be sure to use a good pct. Pct is all personal preference according to some and it's a set in stone for others but it's something you should definately be doing. What's your pct look like?

400mg of test would be ok to try, but as it is you have a VERY anabolic/low androgenic stack and also keep inmind that some of that eq will turn into test also, just my 2 cents.

Here are my two cents based on my experiences. YMMV

First, if you can respond to these doses, great. However the test is low because soon you will shut down your endogenous production of test and you are taking about what your body produces so you are netting out to basically where you were before. Also, most folks like higher doses of EQ.

Second, you can pre-mix your doses for a couple of weeks in a vial (inject 4 weeks worth of each of the substances into a 20 ml, sterile vial and swish it around). Then just draw the appropriate number of cc's and inject. It is very easy to do a M-W-F injection like this. Or M-Th. It makes sure that the levels are consistent over time.

Third, don't inject 3 cc's in your delt. Inject it into your thigh. And if you do a M-Th (which should be fine with this cycle), you only would have to do 2 cc's or so each injection depending on what you end up doing. (Injecting in your butt can be hard to reach). You can use a 25 g pin (1 inch will do unles you have a bit of fat on your thighs and then use a 1 1/2 inch pin); it feels much better but it takes longer. Draw out the stuff from the vial with a 22 g pin and it goes much faster.

Fourth, D-bols, as I have discovered, can really screw with your blood pressure and heart rate. They don't add much in terms of quality gains and they make you look like you are retaining water (they give you a moon face). Folks can tell you are using if they have any experience with AAS or are a doc. Also, orals are hard on your liver, so why bother? Always go with injectables unless there is some powerful reason do add an oral. (Proviron and Anavar are a few exceptions.)

Fifth, eat a ton of lean protein and avoid crap. Eat well and eat lots and eat often.

An Aromitase Inhibitor would get rid of the moon face, and the fact of orals being hard on the liver yes they can be, but thats why you use them in small doses for short periods of time WITH liver support and get blood tests done. And their are 2 very good reasons to add D-bol: 1 it increases IGF-1 production significantly, 2 it releases bound testosterone, and as any experienced bodybuilder knows, it's not the amount of test you have it's how much FREE test you have that counts, so this will inturn increase the effectiveness of the other compounds you use.

Also think of think of all the "lovely" sides you can get from higher doses of test. I'd say use this cycle as a bulker, then do a short cycle of purely anabolics (Primo+Var/EQ+Winny), to harden up and help solidify the new muscle, then finally you could do a cortisol suppression phase to help your body get used to all the new muscle .