need an answer quick bros!!!!

ok, I am currently at 5 11'' and 175lbs and bf 8%?. My abs are not there yet you can see an outline of them but i still need to loose a bit more fat. IF i want to run a short cycle with tren which i have never used b4 and test cyp plus some winny and maybe some prop. would 20ccs of 75mgs of tren and 20ccs @ 100mgs would be enough to see good results? I can get plenty of test and or winny if necessary. I need to know what is the minimum i need for each substance to get full effec
this is what i was thinking

weeks\
1-5 75mgs eod Tren
1-4 50mgs ed Winny
1-10 400mgs test cyp
1-4 test prop

If i have to i would rather drop the prop, but the test cyp i notice good definition. i need to know this ASAP i am putting inn my order today first thing.

Personally i would drop the cyp, you cant start PCT till 3 weeks later running the cyp so I would run all fast acting and stick to the prop.

I would run it like this:

wks 1-8 test prop 75mg ED
wks 1-8 tren ace 37mg ED (this way you can see how your body repsonds and adjust if need be)
wks 1-8 winny 50mg ED (you may want to shorten this depending on how you feel, but you can very well run winny for this length
but I dont recommend any longer than this)

I try to keep my cycles easy and simple, and rely mostly on my diet to do the trick. And I notice a diff betw EOD and ED and I prefer ED myself.

da Fonz has a nice cycle there.

My joints ache pretty bad on that much winny, so you may want to work up to that a bit if you haven't used that much before. But my joints always ache.

If you want to cut, add some T3 and Clen and that, along with a good diet, will do the trick. Really, most AAS can be used to bulk or cut depending on the diet, but T3 and Clen are a great combo to cut, along with some gear to make sure you don't lose muscle.

ok but, would i see decent results from the cycle i listed below? i will drop the test cyp and add another 10ccs of test prop. i will do eod so to recap this will be it what i came up with.

days 1-40 tren 75mgs eod
week 1-6 50mgs winny ed
week 1-8 prop 100mgs eod
some hcg and clomid
should i add any other goodies to this stack?

i feel this will do the trick and get me even more ripped.

TheElmo said:

ok but, would i see decent results from the cycle i listed below? i will drop the test cyp and add another 10ccs of test prop. i will do eod so to recap this will be it what i came up with.

days 1-40 tren 75mgs eod
week 1-6 50mgs winny ed
week 1-8 prop 100mgs eod
some hcg and clomid
should i add any other goodies to this stack?

i feel this will do the trick and get me even more ripped.

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no your diet and cardio will do the trick to get you more ripped,the aas will just enhance the look you have achieved

yes bros i know diet and cardio are key to a good cutter i just wanted to make sure that i could do this cycle and still benefit from those doses, you know? ok so it is written and so it shall be done. wish me luck.