more reps or more wieght???

Bro's
I am new here but have heard good thinks from a bro of mine.......Meat-stick got me hooked here so here I am. Anyway bro's I have a hard time understanding this. alot of the big boys in my gym.....I never see them use very heavy weight. Always looks like they are using moderat wieght and alot of reps and these fuckers look like freaks.

Can you give me your out put on this and any info as witch you guys think is bettter. later on brutha's

well more strengh=hevier weights= more muscle. Maybe since they are so big they are now going light weight and more reps for definition. Only thing I could come up with. Unless someone else can think of another reason why they go light.

this is a long debated issue, for every person that tell u more reps less weight theres one telling u the exact opposite. Its been my experience that you have to try both schools of thought and see what works best for you. Dont just give it a week either, give it a month or two for each and then compare your progess

i try and switch it up every month. i go light with higher reps with 5 sec negatives each rep, then the next month i will go heavier with like 6-8 reps. i think form has a lot to do with it, controlling the weight is key i believe.

Bro's
thanks for the feed back.............but i tell you as long as I have been working at it i have changed it up and tried to shock the system like I had been taught also.
I tell you some of the best gains I got while on gear was the "Heavy Duty" Mike Metzler
thing. then after that I got the diet down to a good program. But getting back to it these guys are the biggest gear head and they have to be on all year round.......One of the guys I played football with have tried to talkto him about it but again one of those guys who thinks his shit don't stink. still all's I see these guys doing all year round is moderate with fricken high reps to the point of failure..........anyways just would like to know whats in there wheats in the morn......later

In all honesty i use periodization so incorporate both into my routines but i stress heavy b/c i know from exp that will cause the most growth for me. But this isnt necessarily the case for everyone.

I would go more weight if your already cut. I get a harder, more effective burn using 4 reps with all I can muster than 15. If you strictly want to tone and cut use more reps. If your goal is bulk do 6 sets at 4 reps. The fourth one should be all you can get. I find I don't have to do any cut work. It does it just fine. To maintain stamina I do a monthly schedule. Let say I am doing chest. I start with flat reps to warm up. Then 8, 6, 6, 4. Incline 6, 6, 4, 4. Decline 10, 8, 8, 6. 4 sets of flys 9 reps each. Next week I will do the same at 10 to no less than 8 reps. Do more weight when you do less reps. I always like to flex the muscle between intense sets too. Not to show off but a good flex to get the blood circulating through the muscle. Give it a try.

G.Whiteston,
sounds little different to me will look into it here. Anymore input from say some of the Mods like Presser??????????? Or anybody would me great. Later we out

Okay, say what? Everyone is different, looking to build mass, my thinking is sore 2 days later is good, whatever works 4u. I recommend 4 at the end!

My best gains came from lifting heavy and slowly.....concentration and keeping movements very strict. I do switch on occasion to lighter weights/ higher reps to help my tendons keep up.

My guess is you're seeing them doing their warmups. Freaks tend to do a bajillion warmups and the like one work set (is this a steriotype?). Maybe you're just not seeing that one set.

jaywooly said:

My guess is you're seeing them doing their warmups. Freaks tend to do a bajillion warmups and the like one work set (is this a steriotype?). Maybe you're just not seeing that one set.

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I've seen the same thing. Saw a really massive guy doing military press with 95 lbs. yet I don't believe I saw him do a really heavy set. He seemed to do about 2-3 sets of that weight, increased it to about 135 (looked like he could do a lot more than that), and then he was done--confused the hell out of me.

Not to hijack the thread but, I've changed my workout to resemble more what BigA outlined in that I have warmups and then one work set to failure, and I increased my protein intake. Best thing I ever did so far! My poundages are all jumping up there like crazy. Since I'm only into it two weeks, I haven't seen an extreme change in bodyweight or size just yet, but if these strength increases keep coming, then something has got to happen soon.

I did the same thing Tonykemp, I read Big-a's thread about two weeks back and took his advice and have loved it so far. I am going to the gym 6x/week and doing weight training every other day concentrating on two major muscle groups. On my "off" days I am hitting 45 minutes of cardio trying to lean down to under 8% BF. figure I may as well use the IGF-1 for what it's worth.

Strength is relative. What can be heavy for some, is light for others. It has more to do with attachments rather than muscle size. I am extremely weak for my muscle size, because I have very bad attachments for strength (long muscle bellies), but these same attachments make the muscles pop more and look bigger than they are.
It is an individual thing.

Also, it's not about the weight and reps you move but by the amount fo intensity you can create. If you do a set with moderate weight where every rep has a tempo of 2 negative - 1 contraction - 1positive, or even slower, you will get a much greater intentisty factor than a set with very heavy weight that is moved very quickly - tempo of 1/2negative - 0 contraction - 1/2positive or even quicker, even if the form is perfect.

That would explain me then. I am extremely strong for my muscle size. I lift more weight and for the same reps or more than a lot of the bigger guys (I'm not just saying this) in many lifts. The only place where I have trouble is my chest. Bench pressing is my worst exercise. If I had the same strength in that lift as my other lifts, I'd probably be benching 275 for reps. I only weigh 197 right now (6' 0"), and I consistently leg press close to 600 lbs for reps. My max curl is about 120 lbs with a 17-inch arm. There is a bigger guy in my gym who curls less than I do. I do have some size (well, compared with a normal guy), but it doesn't look huge like some smaller guys do because they have the long muscle bellies. That means I have to work harder to be bigger just to look big due to the illusion if that makes sense.

Working out with what BigA outlined has started to help me make more progress faster so I'm hoping to get some really good results. I think I may need to increase protein just a bit more and then I may have it.