Test Prop/Tren Ace from Powders

Hey everyone. I'm a member of the Anabolic Review forums, but I've found that you guys have a better conversion forum so I decided to come here and ask this. I have 10g of test prop powder and 10g of tren ace powder. I've never done any conversions before. I'm either looking to make 100ml at 100mg/ml of test prop and 100ml at 75mg/ml of tren ace OR, if possible, a test prop/tren combo of 100ml at 100mg/ml (prop) with 75mg/ml (tren.) What would you suggest? What dosages of BA/BB would I use for relatively pain-free injections? THANK YOU!

Also, I have:

1 x Cottonseed Oil USP (100ml)
1 x Sealed sterile vial - 100ml
2 x Sealed sterile Vial - 50 ml
2 x Whatman Syringe Filter - .2um
1 x Benzyl Alcohol sterile (30ml)
1 x Benzyl Benzoate sterile (30ml)
1 x Syringe without needle: TERUMO 10cc/mL Syringe LL
1 x Syringe without needle: TERUMO 20cc/mL Syringe
Bunch of 18g drawing needles

MoneyAddyct

you can make the 100 and 75 combo. I have at 2.5 and 7.5, but I think it would be better to use 3 and 9 honestly. Use the powder calc above to figure out the ml of each and just make it like you would prop, follow the instrucions in the sticky above also.

I was told by someone to use 2% BA and 20% BB and make the combo. That would mean I would need:

10g test prop powder
7.5g tren ace powder
2ml BA
20ml BB
78ml cottonseed oil

What do you think about that? Should I do the 3% and 9% instead? What's the difference? THANKS!

well that may work also. Rule of thumb is that 1 part ba has the dissolving power of 3 parts bb. I think its an overkill to go wtih 20 bb but I can only guess as I have never tried that. So by the 3 to 1 rule, you could probably get away with 2 ba and 12bb, but again thats something you'll have to experiment with, the only thing i can say for sure is what I have done, 3 and 9 will hold and be painless.

Go with 2/20, your combo needs that amount to keep without crystallizing.

Great, thanks for the replies. I have one last question...after I add the powders and the BB and the BA and the oil, what's the best way to go about heating the solution to dissolve the hormone?

Hot magnetic stirrer plate, digital output set to sensitivity of MP.

PharmaHun said:

Hot magnetic stirrer plate, digital output set to sensitivity of MP.

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yes, but the average Joe doesn't have that luxury. Add your two solvents and the powder together first. Put a pan on the stove with 1 or so of water in it and turn it on LOW. Place the vial or whatever your mixing in into the water bath and swirl in every few minutes. once the solution becomes clear and there are no more chunks hanging around add you oil. Swirl good and then let it stand for 5-10 min, repeat this several times and then your ready to filter.

brew said:

yes, but the average Joe doesn't have that luxury. Add your two solvents and the powder together first. Put a pan on the stove with 1 or so of water in it and turn it on LOW. Place the vial or whatever your mixing in into the water bath and swirl in every few minutes. once the solution becomes clear and there are no more chunks hanging around add you oil. Swirl good and then let it stand for 5-10 min, repeat this several times and then your ready to filter.

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There are only a few problems with this advice of home brew:

1., 'turn it on low'-what is actually "low" in terms of temperature?
30C? 100C? even 250C is low in terms of laboratory chemistry... For home use for 'average Joe' use a candy thermometer from your granny's kitchen to measure temperature! Even with granny's candy thermometer, its impossible to heat your solution to around and above 100C as we all know, water evaporates above 100C. That means your hormones are not dissolved as some dissolve above 150C, or in case your water evaporated, the temperature of the open fire can be upto 900C which burns your hormones in the vial.

2., I might not be average Joe, I can afford a magnetic hotplate stirrer but I don't want to risk my health for saving a couple of bucks here or there. Put it on the stove in a pan with some water? How much is some? Is it supposed to be in line with the vial containing hormones?

3., You might have microscopic eyes to see if there are 'chunks' hanging around, however I never in my life could tell if there is any half-dissolved crystals in the solution as they are see-through... crystals if they are half dissolve change molecular sructure, creating other chemicals. not healthy.

You must know the right Melting Points of the right hormones (stanozolol has 2 different type for example).

4., Add your oil and let it set for 5-10 mins? You supposed to allow the oily solution to mix with the hormones again, which in this case is re-heating. Not for 5-10 mins but as long as it takes depending on the amounts of solutions you are 'brew-ing'. Lab made solution can be let set for as long as you'd like, nothing won't happen to them.

Anybody with the right frame of mind should not experiment with their health with home brew following some dimwits advice on how to make STERILE GEAR. Get some lab tested gear that you can trust or study your subject to perfection as I did.


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ok, look here. This is boiled down simple for the average guy who will use it once a yr. Is it rough around the edges yes, but it works, peroid. I can tell you have a done a little research but you need to do more, and I will disagree with several points that you make.

1 there is absolutely no need to heat your solution to the mp of the hormone. Why would you do this? melting does not equal dissolved. Heat is simply a catalyst here, speeding up the rate at which the bonding breaking and formation occur. I have made liters of gear without heat when I had to do so, but it takes longer. The reactions between the solvent and the hormones are what disolves the hormone, not the heat itself.

2 that was a typo, should have read about 1 inch or alittle more, with the size of batch you are making that is more than a sufficient water bath to transfer the heat.

3 I'm gona keep this simple as I could write paragraphs on how and why your theory here is wrong. There will be no huge change in the compound here, its just wont happen from this reaction, sorry. you may be left some hormone molcules bonded together that have not fully disolved, but thats why we filter, no harm done cause they will be to large to pass thru.

4 re read my insrtuctions, I didn't say do it once and then filter. the swirling is repeated several times, once again heat will help but is not necessary, especially if your oil has been baked and is already warm, all you really need here is time, tahts it. However, I would recommend replacing the vial in the warm water when you let it stand, I guess I left that past out of the orginal post, but agian it is NOT essential. An average batch like is being made here shouldn't need that long, 3-4 times of swirling and sitting should be more that suficeint.

Now, I suggest that you continue to hit the books becasue you are far from "studing your subject to perfection". We all learn new thing constantly so get off your godamn horse. This 'dimwit' has wasted enough time here, I must return to my work, which just so happens to be in a laboratory.

You must make a lot of badly made, underdosed, not sterile and 'god-knows-what-is-in-there' gear in your 'laboratory'.

You don't melt it for a start, filter out probably most of the hormones (is your filter always clogged? lol) in the solution and have no clue what % of Ba and BB you should use.

Are you the cleaner or the 'Lab rat' at work, in your laboratory by the way?

I rather spend my time on people they are eager to learn. You carry on making your bad batches. Surely I am not the only one who has picked on your theory. Dont give advice to the innocent if you dont know the answers.

lol, relax brutha,lol, lend a helping hand thats why we are here no matter how long u or i been around, we were pink to, as for this shit, im clueless, but eager to hear more on it from you so we have some more solid onfo

So sir, why don't you fill me in then if I am clueless about solvent %. How do you suggest that one determines this? Also I would be interested to know how you recomend the average Joe carries about his conversions, as milions of people have had successful conversions with very basic equipment and lack of heat to the temps you speak of. I mean that was the orginal question. It was 'how do I make this in my kitchen'. I'm not saying by any means that this method will yeild a perfectly dosed batch, becasue it won't. But it will produce the 'close enough' batch for the average man who is new and green in this area.

MoneyAddyct said:

Great, thanks for the replies. I have one last question...after I add the powders and the BB and the BA and the oil, what's the best way to go about heating the solution to dissolve the hormone?

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The 'BEST WAY' -as it has been asked by MoneyAddyct- is a magnetic hotplate stirrer. No one asked about 'most economical' solution for heating.

By the way you can pick up one of those second hand for around $200-$300. Not quite a luxury if you are concerned about your health. It is worth your while to invest into it.

About solvent %:

lots of people have given clever and accurate answers before you. Why dont you take your time and read those threads instead of giving out 'guess-work' on how to make it;

brew said:

"I think its an overkill to go wtih 20 bb but I can only guess as I have never tried that. So by the 3 to 1 rule, you could probably get away with 2 ba and 12bb, but again thats something you'll have to experiment with"

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Do us a favour and ask if you dont know the answer or leave the question alone. Someone-who unlike you might not work in a lab- might know the accurate solution for problems...


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i undeerrstand ur intentions are noble pharma but brew is a good guy #1 and we both know you could have revised any mistakes in brews assesments or preperations in a much better way, personaly i dont know dick squat about conversions so couldnt begin to tell ya whats right and wrong but i know brew on a personal level and trust he is doing his best to help the community whether that best is better then someone elses best i couldnt tell ya, but he is here helping and if you have anything helpful to add here i would surely like to see more of you helping out but also maybe coming across in a better light, even if its saying FUCK YOU with a smile, u still dont look like an assholes this way right or wrong ya know bro, but i stand behind brew as i know he is knowledgable enough to handle most questions presented to this forum and more importantly i know he is a stand up guy on a personal level with no hidden agendas and finds time to help our members

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Presser said:

PharmaHun said:

I am not sure if you are aware of it but this guy, brew is adding comments on most of the lab conversion threads. His comments are not appropriate, not accurate and therefore very dangerous for those with very little knowledge asking for advice.
Thought I would bring this to your attention as I am a qualified Pharmacist.
regards, Pharmahun

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I appreciate your efforts in keeping my community safe as thats what were realy here for ya know, but you know as well as i you could have killed him with kindness, if your that qualified i would honestly appreciate any IMPORTANT revisions be made to the lab forum that might otherwise harm someone, if you find time once in a while ya know, welcom and i thank you, not to many people give to shits about others , I also know the guy personaly and he is a realy good guy bro, and works in the field he speaks about as well in the lab forums, though not a pharmacist so maybe his tactics are crued in some ways but neverthe less he is trying to help, take care and look forward to any future contributions you might have, if there is any major problems in those lab forums making serious mistakes call me toll free 1-800-970-MCAS ext "00" so I can remove the content that poses the site here the most liability, that is if anything is that bad

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Thank you for your reply. I will take my time and read through the threads again and again. If I can help in any ways I will do.
Regards,
PharmaHun

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Please explain why you have sent me this PM, yet try to slate me openly on the forum to protect brew?
Trying to help out is noble, but you dont ask for information from someone who doesnt know anything about the subject, especially when it involves your health.

I have added comment to various threads and added accurate and correct information, not guess work or rough indications on what to do.

Presser said:

i know brew on a personal level and trust he is doing his best to help the community whether that best is better then someone elses best i couldnt tell ya, but he is here helping

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The credability of this board is based on factual information, not false and inaccurate information to answer peoples questions. Chemistry is an exact science, not a trial and error exercise.

I will have nothing more to do with this board, and will find another board that appreciate my comments and advise.

This board has done nothing but disappoint me.

Ok, listen your are on my last damn nerve. I asked a question to try and turn this thread into something constructive and you only took the time to insult me, glad you are here to help. I didn't ask for the percentages I asked WHY you chose them! Did you not aswer becasue there is more than one way to skin a cat? I mean did I piss in your cheerios on another board or something. I don't see you attacking the sticky of powder conversions at the top that are damn near the same as mine. There are plenty of other threads that you failed to quote that resulted sucessful conversions and solving crashing problems. I could really care less if you argee with me or not, thats what makes boards work. opinoins form bith sides. Now, with that siad I realy do sincerely wish you would stick around. You are obviously educated in the feild and would be a big contributer here, but comments and suggestions need to be handled in a better manner that we started off with.

Hey bros, thanks for the responses. I've got another question. I was originally going to make a tren ace/test prop combo that, when blended, would have each ml at 75mg tren and 100mg prop. I've decided, however, that I don't want to run the tren as long as the prop. Can I make them individually and still have .5 ml be 75mg of tren and .5 ml be 100mg of prop (for the same total of 1ml) or is it going to have to be 2ml total now? If I can still make a 1 ml total solution, what would my individual BA/BB/Oil ratios be? Thanks.

bro you really got me confused . reword what you want to accomplish and do it in a new thread you get more responses that way.