:angry: GENETICS GOD DAMN GENETICS!!! I am or was naturally skinny i could eat like a mad man and barely get a small roll of fat around my abs. Now that i stay lean i find it that the fat in my abs are the very last to go. I have to drop my bf so much that i start to eat away some muscle. You may have to do the same. Post your diet and cardio and we can help you better that way. Have you tried clen or ECA? Usually though, it is your diet that will give you the best results. Everything is just gives you a boost imo. You look pretty solid bro. :thumbsup: