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bigworm6

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ok, this is my first cycle of this year, 300mgs of deca, 400 mg's of test, 30mgs of d-bol, and after the cycle im running hcg, and nolvadex somewhat through the cycle. I was wondering, im pretty young, 22 years old, i like to be safe as possible, and this was my idea, i am running this cycle for about 9-10 weeks, so ill be done middle of feb....i was gunna take like 3 weeks off and rest, and then i was thinkin about takein creatine glutamine, nitrix oxide, and protien for about a month and a half, then running a cycle of winstol around april, do you think i should give myself a longer breack between cycles, and should i take the stuff i named between the to cycles, cause i dont wanna loose all my gains when i come off? I always take protien and glutamine, but i was gunna add N.O and creatine when im off, what you guys think, to much for my body or what, and keep in my im 22, so i got quite a bit of years ahead of me, what yall think? thanks a lot guys
 
i say keep the glutamine and protien as they are for as long as you want wait a little longer since your doing the dbol for your liver's sake and do some liver protocols. milk thistle synthergine other then that i think your good just wait a bit longer due to the liver enzymes.
 
yea, i take 1000mgs of milk thistle a day to keep my liver clean, should i take more throughout my cycle, or is that enough?
 
any drug store man, easy to get ahold of, gnc and local places will have it. Any more feedback on what i should do guys?
 
You don't seem to have your PCT very well planned out. PCT is crucial in keeping your gains. You should be running something during the cycle such as femara to keep from building estrogen levels up, usually 1.25 mg - 2.5 mg /day. Your time off cycle should equal your time on cycle, and it seems you have that. You should be on protein and glutamine on and off cycle. Eat like a horse as well.
 
well i was guna take 10mgs of nolvadex thoughout tha cycle, but i heard that doing that will hender your gains made through your cycle, so the first sign of gyno i was gunna start it up..? and between cycles, do you think i should take creatine and N.O? or just glutamine and protien to ease my liver?
 
bigworm6 said:
well i was guna take 10mgs of nolvadex thoughout tha cycle, but i heard that doing that will hender your gains made through your cycle, so the first sign of gyno i was gunna start it up..? and between cycles, do you think i should take creatine and N.O? or just glutamine and protien to ease my liver?

You'll be fine bro.
 
bigworm6 said:
well i was guna take 10mgs of nolvadex thoughout tha cycle, but i heard that doing that will hender your gains made through your cycle, so the first sign of gyno i was gunna start it up..? and between cycles, do you think i should take creatine and N.O? or just glutamine and protien to ease my liver?


I never understood why someone would wait until they saw (or felt) "signs" of gyno before taking nolva. If your nipples are itching or sensitive it's because damage is being done. I personally wouldn't want to mess with that and will forego gains over gyno or puffy nipples. I'm running 10mg of nolva daily now. My cycle consists of dbol/sust/deca.
 
because its holds back on you from you growing
it jams it all up
your supposed to wait until you have symptoms to take the nolva then it will take it away
back my up guys
 
supermannpc said:
because its holds back on you from you growing
it jams it all up
your supposed to wait until you have symptoms to take the nolva then it will take it away
back my up guys

This isn't true........ there are anti-e's like proviron that actualy will help you grow because they lower SHBG levels. It's true that nolva will lower IGF levels but it's not enough to keep you from gaining muscle durring a cycle. Also you might "wait" for signs and it could be too late.........
 
bigworm6 said:
ok, this is my first cycle of this year, 300mgs of deca, 400 mg's of test, 30mgs of d-bol, and after the cycle im running hcg, and nolvadex somewhat through the cycle. I was wondering, im pretty young, 22 years old, i like to be safe as possible, and this was my idea, i am running this cycle for about 9-10 weeks, so ill be done middle of feb....i was gunna take like 3 weeks off and rest, and then i was thinkin about takein creatine glutamine, nitrix oxide, and protien for about a month and a half, then running a cycle of winstol around april, do you think i should give myself a longer breack between cycles, and should i take the stuff i named between the to cycles, cause i dont wanna loose all my gains when i come off? I always take protien and glutamine, but i was gunna add N.O and creatine when im off, what you guys think, to much for my body or what, and keep in my im 22, so i got quite a bit of years ahead of me, what yall think? thanks a lot guys

Are you going to be running at least Clomid and Nolvadex after your cycle is complete? This plus upping your calories is what will help you hold on to those gains.
 
Honestly I realize there are folks who wait until they feel the gyno, but thinking long term you are way better off running the nolvadex throughout. Why wait until you have gyno to avoid gyno? Plus, gyno is a big deal. I mean we're in this "strange pursuit" of bodybuilding to be more men than men, so who wants tits? If you can afford it, including arimidex and nolvadex together throughout will avoid all problems, even at high doses of aromatizing gear. If you have issues with sex drive or are worried about losing sex drive, proviron with the nolvadex is awesome - you'll tag her 2x a day throughout the cycle (even at my old age). But at a minimum run the nolvadex throughout, then tie off post-cycle with HCG and Clomid or Nolvadex to ensure you keep your gains. Its as important as the AAS.
 
Ok, well i am 4 weeks through, shut the d-bol off, and now ima going to run my nolvadex throughout the cycle, and 2-3 weeks passed, and ive got hcg on hand, i cant figure out witch way to take tha hcg, most people say take it during the cycle, a few people say take it afterwards, and im not sure on what dosages to take, my dosages on gear arent hardcore, so i shouldnt need to much of it, but anyone wanna give me an idea on how to run the hcg?
 
The deca should cause a lot of atrophy to your nuts so IMO run the HCG through the cycle at 500iu 2 times per week and stop 1 weeks out from PCT. Keeping your testicles from getting smaller will help in restoring HPTA functions durring PCT.
 
ok well im on my 4th shot, here in about 20 mins, so should i run the hcg 2 times a week, 500iu, till its gone, or when should i start, and i only have 23 gauge 1inch needles, and i stick it in my glute?
 
swolepapa said:
Honestly I realize there are folks who wait until they feel the gyno, but thinking long term you are way better off running the nolvadex throughout. Why wait until you have gyno to avoid gyno? Plus, gyno is a big deal. I mean we're in this "strange pursuit" of bodybuilding to be more men than men, so who wants tits? If you can afford it, including arimidex and nolvadex together throughout will avoid all problems, even at high doses of aromatizing gear. If you have issues with sex drive or are worried about losing sex drive, proviron with the nolvadex is awesome - you'll tag her 2x a day throughout the cycle (even at my old age). But at a minimum run the nolvadex throughout, then tie off post-cycle with HCG and Clomid or Nolvadex to ensure you keep your gains. Its as important as the AAS.


Great post swolepapa, and you too MudMan. I think people believe that running nolva will impede any progress, but I don't see this as being true. Even if it is true, the gains lost will be minimal. And like swolepapa said, gyno IS a big deal.
 
slimm said:
Great post swolepapa, and you too MudMan. I think people believe that running nolva will impede any progress, but I don't see this as being true. Even if it is true, the gains lost will be minimal. And like swolepapa said, gyno IS a big deal.

the only "gains" nolva will prevent are weight gains due to excess water retention. who wants that anyway? I always run nolva throughout a cycle not only for gyno prevention but to help maintain healthy lipid profiles.
 
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