How does this cycle look?

Here is a cycle I've been dreaming up...


Test prop weeks 1-2 (75mgs ED)
Tren acetate weeks 1-2 (75mgs ED)
Test blend 400 (enanthate and cyp blend) weeks 1-16 (1,200mgs EW)
Tren Enanthate weeks 1-16 (500mgs EW)
EQ weeks 1-16 (800mgs EW)
Anavar weeks 1-8 (50mgs ED)
Winny weeks 9-16 (50mgs ED)
IGF weeks 1-4; 9-12; 17-20 (100mcgs ED)
Clen 3 weeks on, 3 off throughout, mixed up with an ECA
Creatine on lift days (3 days a week)
Glutamine
ALA
Milk Thistle
Multi Vitamin

I'm personally questioning the IGF, how would you run it?

Please offer ANY suggestions or point out whatever you may think is wierd or pointless/useless/wasteful.

Stats: 5'9, 252lbs, bf unknown (teens).

I'm going to do DC-style workous but try to incorporate some football type-lifts (cleans, etc.).

Diet: 400-425grams protien ED. 3,000 calories ED. Minimal sugars.
I'm probably going to have to tweak out constantly every couple of weeks.

Thanks bros,
jay



P.S.'s
I have ran tren this long before and did okay.
Anavar is the only compound I have not used is this cycle
Cycle experience, too many...this long, twice (EQ/Enan/winny) and (Profina/winny)

Goal...just to push myself as far as possible. See what I can possibly get from this. I'm going to be in the midst of spring football practice, playing fullback if all goes to plan. Practice is no more brutal that a heavy leg day with cardio. That's only once a week. That will count as a workout/cardio day, but I will be doing legs once per week too. Lifting 3 days; Cardio 4 days; practice 1 day. 2 days completely off EW from workouts/practice/cardio. My ultimate goal is 245lbs (@ 5'9), about 10% (that's about 12lbs of muscle and 20 pounds of fat away).



Please say anything you'd like, any imput or questions welcome. Thanks again!

forgot to mention..

2.5mgs femara ED
Nolva on hand
Anti-P

I would:

Cut the Femara dose in half.
Drop the Winny altogether and run the Var the last 8 wks.
Run the Clen 2wks on, 2 off.
If you're gonna run creatine, run it every day.
IGF - wks 5-8,,, 13-16



South

where do you play football jay??

SouthPaw said:

I would:

Cut the Femara dose in half.
Drop the Winny altogether and run the Var the last 8 wks.
Run the Clen 2wks on, 2 off.
If you're gonna run creatine, run it every day.
IGF - wks 5-8,,, 13-16



South

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I said 2.5 femara because I'm fairly prone to gyno and I've always done 2.5. I could try 1.25 ED or 2.5 EOD. Anyone else on this point?

When I first read the drop winny run var last 8 weeks I thought you meant run Var all 16 weeks. 17-aa you wouldn't want to do that even though the hepatoxicity is less than say winny or drol. THEN I REALIZED I was contradicting myself. I have var for 8 weeks then winny for 8. So I agree just run one or the other and probably at the end. Given my goals, does everyone agree drop the winny and just have Var last 8?

The aqua-burn (clen) from MC has keto in it, so you can run it longer than 2 weeks, correct (someon who would know)? If not, I agree 2 weeks/2weeks

I love creatine's effects but I hate what it does to my appetite. That's why I limit to post workout shakes.

I see what you're doing there with the IGF. Wait until the tren and test have fully kicked in, and I'd be on most likely my second go of clen to start my 1st wave of IGF. I really wanted to run it at the end (last few weeks), you placed it perfectly, thanks. This suggestion is a lock. Now, should I limit to only 4 weeks per go, or go a bit longer? Some say up to 50 days is an effective period.

Greatly appreciated, thanks!

The only thing that concerns me is this>>> Tren Enanthate weeks 1-16 (500mgs EW)<< isnt that a lot of Tren E per week? I still dont know much about it, what would a starter dose be weekly? Ive never ran Tren before and want to use some Tren E in the next cycle, Ive heard 200mgs/week, that sound about right?

jth250 said:

where do you play football jay??

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Semi-pro for a team in the bay area of California (Northern California, though we travel to so-cal for 2 games I think this season.)

Southern Comfor said:

The only thing that concerns me is this>>> Tren Enanthate weeks 1-16 (500mgs EW)<< isnt that a lot of Tren E per week? I still dont know much about it, what would a starter dose be weekly? Ive never ran Tren before and want to use some Tren E in the next cycle, Ive heard 200mgs/week, that sound about right?

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75mgs acetate EOD is my suggestion to a beginner. That comes out to be 262.5mgs EW. With an enanthate, I would think even just a 'tad' higher. I would personally shoot for 300mgs EW.

I've ran 75 ED and 150 EOD several times. That's 525mgs EW. I like my dose at 500mgs.

jaywooly said:

1- I could try 1.25 ED or 2.5 EOD. Anyone else on this point?

2- Given my goals, does everyone agree drop the winny and just have Var last 8?

3- I love creatine's effects but I hate what it does to my appetite. That's why I limit to post workout shakes.

4- IGF Now, should I limit to only 4 weeks per go, or go a bit longer? Some say up to 50 days is an effective period.

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1- 1.25 pr day is HUGE as far as anti-e goes. I'm gyno prone and have ran as high as 2grams of test with 1.25mg Letro pr day with no problems.

2- Winny causes joint pain for most people,,, not good on the last 8 wks when most of your strength is gonna show. I also believe Var has a better synergistic effect with Tren. Var will also take advantage of the creatine you're gonna run where the Winny will not.

3- On your off days try Creatine right before bed.

4- When IGF goes beyond 28 days I believe there is a negative feedback that happens.


South

jaywooly said:

75mgs acetate EOD is my suggestion to a beginner. That comes out to be 262.5mgs EW. With an enanthate, I would think even just a 'tad' higher. I would personally shoot for 300mgs EW.

I've ran 75 ED and 150 EOD several times. That's 525mgs EW. I like my dose at 500mgs.

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Nice Info JAY! I appreciate it. Now my next good question is.... what is the maximum week usage? Somewhere between 6-8 weeks? For a beginner of course, I really want to use Tren E this Spring with some Eq and Test E ohh my and if I could get my paws on some Anavar I would be a happy camper!

Southern Comfor said:

Nice Info JAY! I appreciate it. Now my next good question is.... what is the maximum week usage? Somewhere between 6-8 weeks? For a beginner of course, I really want to use Tren E this Spring with some Eq and Test E ohh my and if I could get my paws on some Anavar I would be a happy camper!

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I've seen tren acetate ran short, the 6 weeks you mention. I would say 8 weeks would be a good medium. I ran it 8 weeks my 1st go and fell in love. Then next was 10 weeks, then 12 twice, then 16 once.

With a longer acting ester like enanthate you'd want to run it longer. Reason, because it's going to take 2+ weeks until you build up to full potency. So say you choose 6 weeks, that means you're only runing 4 weeks at full potency. 8 weeks, 6 weeks full potency. My opinion, minimum 8 weeks, preferably 10 weeks.

Be sure to watch the progesterone sides, Have something on hand just in case.