24 year old- still shutdown after 15 month

Hi there - I am a 24 year old male from Denmark.

I have done alle kind of steroids until 15 month ago. Before I ended I had done 2 years on the juice without a brake.

Such a thing is stupid I deeply regret.

After my last shot 15 monuth ago, when the roids had cleared out I did this PCT:

HCG 3x5000 e5d followed by 1000 iu hcg eod, at that time I ate 2,5 mg of letrozole. That next I had 60 days on 40 mg's of tamoxifen followed by 20 days with 20 mg.

Its almost 12 month ago I ende My pct and I have had a long and hard time, trying to find the answers why I was stille without potency and libido. I was and I am still extremely depressed.
I am not doing any other kind of drugs


Just after cristmas, which is 14 days ago I had taken bloodsamples.
(being clean for 12 month)

Fsh: 2,4 U/L
LH : 6,3 U/L
prolactin: 9,3 ug/L
testosterone 10,5 nol/L
estradiol: 0,097mmol/L


Except from Fsh the other values are within normal range but in the VERY LOW end. FSH is half of normal lowest value.

This dosn't make sense to me because I had done a bloddsample 1 month inside my big pct and had the exact same values. Except FSH that was 4 U/L



So followed by 2 month of pct and 12 month of my values haven't got any better and FSH has become halft of when I stopped doing drugs.



All I wish is getting my libido back and being able to get children.
Till now this situation had to let go of my exgirlfriend and daily I live in a half depressive state.



PS: in denmark I can not get helft from the doctors - then don´t know shit about PCT for bodybuilders - and they just say its my own fault when I try to get help.



next week I get

60x2,5 mg letrozole
30x1mg arimidex
200 clomid
5x5000 iu hcg
5x75 iu hmg


You think this might be an option for giving PCT another try, because tamoxifen dos'nt work for me.



Yours xxxx


I would like to increase

the doc me and my buddy go to had him do this routine when he didnt do pct. he started this 3 months after his last aas cycle.
3000 iu hcg for the first 3 days then 1500iu once e5d
100mg of clomid eod

took him bout 5 weeks to recover, but all his levels were low and his LH and FSH were both undetectable. ive personnally never been in this situation but maybe someone that has can help a lil better.

Personally bro, HCG is not a good choice for PCT. The reason for this being is that yes it may raise FSH and LH, BUT it MIMICS these hormones. That's why alot of people including myself run in throughout the cycle and not during PCT. this prevents 100% shutdown of the testicles and once you come off, it makes it much easier to recover. Now being on cycle for 15 months, I really don't know taking HCG would effect for 15 months would help in recovery but 15 months is a really long time. In your case though, it might be the best thing for you to get your libido back. Just remember the next cycle you run if you ever do don't go for so long, and use 1000 iu/week during the cycle...

Thanx for the reply bro - but what I find anoying is that I didn't respond to 60 days with 40 mg of tamoxifen.

Anyone heard of people being resistant to tamoxifen therapy?

And why has my FSH level become lover over the past 14 month?

bro it has been clinically shown that tamaxofin actually not not cause much if any elevation in testosterone levels. I ran a cycle of Test Prop and Tbol Tbol for 7 weeks and Test Prop for 12 weeks, HCG throughout the cycle and did PCT of Nolva and bounced back really good. Your best bet instead of using Nolva would be instead using something like Aromasin or Letrozole. Aromasin being the better of the two.

Bro when the GenX site is back up and running you should check out the forum under the heading "Post Cycle Therapy." At the top of this forum is a sticky that is entitled "The low down on Anti-E's" I think is the name. It will give you a better understanding of what to run for PCT/Bloat/Gyno.

Woody - thanx for the reply's:

I've godt 60x2,5 letz and 28xadex - - Should I try these two starting with the Letz?


And what is the exact addres of the site you recommended me?


(sorry if my english is'nt that good)

Sounds to me that it will take a long time for your levels to come back up--if they will come back up at all. You may have to go on TRT. The aromasin or letrozole will control estrogen allowing for test to be more available, but the clomid will be what may get your test levels back up at this point. If that doesn't work, then you may be faced with going on TRT.

When the site gets back up on GenX, post what you posted here there. There is a guy there who can def help you with this.

saudades said:

Sounds to me that it will take a long time for your levels to come back up--if they will come back up at all. You may have to go on TRT. The aromasin or letrozole will control estrogen allowing for test to be more available, but the clomid will be what may get your test levels back up at this point. If that doesn't work, then you may be faced with going on TRT.

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Bumping this also. Letro and Aromasin will raise your test levels a considerable amount. But like saudades said, you might have to go on TRT for a bit.

TRT is not an option for me - I won't risk suppressing my HPTA even further, and in denmark you can't get TRT.
My only wish is to become normal again..

My protocol for getting up my HPTA running again looks like this:
day 1: 5000 iu hcg with 75 iu of hmg this
day 5: 5000 iu hcg with 75 iu of hmg this
Day 1-50: 100 mg of clomid



hcg and Hmb will be repeated for a maximum of five shots e5d or until I feel like my sexdrive is getting back.

you are going to run Clomid for 50 days? Bro anyone can run TRT. You don't have to be under a dr. perscription for do TRT.

Yeah - clomid for 50 days - maybe I willl start tappering off at day 30 and keep a maintenance at 25 mg a day for month?

But right know I am still unknowing if it works for me. Lets hope so...

clomid may also add to the depression

Niddingen said:

TRT is not an option for me - I won't risk suppressing my HPTA even further, and in denmark you can't get TRT.
My only wish is to become normal again..

My protocol for getting up my HPTA running again looks like this:
day 1: 5000 iu hcg with 75 iu of hmg this
day 5: 5000 iu hcg with 75 iu of hmg this
Day 1-50: 100 mg of clomid



hcg and Hmb will be repeated for a maximum of five shots e5d or until I feel like my sexdrive is getting back.

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man, those are just large dosages of hcg. I know you are trying to "jumpstart" the boys, but as stated above, HCG only mimicks Leutinizing Hormone.

The reason why I have chosen 5000 iu hcg, is that I want to surpress my hypothalamus for a short time as possible. Else I could spend a month running 1000 iu hcg eod. I've got 1000 and 5000 iu hcg in the fridge.

And your right - The fucking clomid is fucking my brain realy bad. Hate that stuff.

If I were you bro, I would run a TRT dose of Andropen for 12-14 weeks. during this time I might run 1000 iu of HCG/week weeks 1-12-14. After 14 weeks run a solid PCT. After your PCT is done wait around 2 weels then get your levels checked again. 5000 iu of HCG/week is not good for you bro. In the game of using AAS and other compounds for muscle building and getting your hormones back the way they should be, more is not neccessarily better. Take for instance running 1000mg of Test per week. There is truly no need for this at all.

Hi - At this point I am sorry to disagree with you. Not under any circumstances will i go on TRT - for what reason? I will only put my recovery further away by doing so. Then better suffer, and starting the pct today

Niddingen said:

Hi - At this point I am sorry to disagree with you. Not under any circumstances will i go on TRT - for what reason? I will only put my recovery further away by doing so. Then better suffer, and starting the pct today

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not saying its a must....but some guys do get shut down and dont every bounce back. That is what TRT or HRT is for.

Just saying, its a possibility you may NEVER recover. How long do you want to wait around to find out? Thats the real question.

I don't believe in never recovering!

That is unacceptable in my opinion. I messed my system pretty much up - but I don't think that people differ so much in genetics so I should be a totally non responder to any kind of PCT..... If people who are harder shut down than me can recover I can as well.... I Will live with this status for another year and give it all a try. now it is hmg, hcg, clomid, femera..... next will be exemestane if the other ain't good enough...


Knowledge is power and I wil find a way to bring my body back.... God dammed!