found something...a long read but some info @ least. (origianlly posted by Allbeef)
found this on aonther board throught it might help.
Here's another guys experience on it:
Okay Bro's,
Lets take some of the mystery out of IP's PGCL.
First let me tell you that if you don't know, I have been a friend of IP
now for many years. I also would have been equally willing to post
negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to
be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post
and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The
literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
greatly helped by articles on Basskiller and Mesomorphosis. You will note
in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and
dosages in males.
IP's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg.
THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the
dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to
moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed
side by side to HGH, PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times
that of HGH. One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as
spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a
pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by
the drug. Now IP tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1
amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the
drug dirt cheap. In fact, IP is very concerned about the risks of dosing
schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup
schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However,
if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
of your baby to-be.
THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right.
You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be
like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to
split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately
37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store
to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye
Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. IP has you buying
distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done.
I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for
bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water.
Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't
noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4
cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately
40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that
has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air
dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water.
Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break
easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder
to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and
you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it.
Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes
with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg
amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.
STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
challenge.
SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand.
You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I
never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.
THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was
available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the ****ter
stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots,
3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON
WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )
THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and
workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6
days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my
chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about
the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually
hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to
the guty may be a mute point as the ****s going to roll ( or slip out of
you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug
remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced
nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle
over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great
pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or
not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with
shooting IP's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's
of drug with every inject session.