The older I get, the worse its getting. I must of ripped something in my chest, because for the past few months, everytime I train chest, the day after or second day after I get this heavy feeling in my chest. Not soreness, like something is sitting on it. I always blame the workout, but then anxiety kicks in and I get all sweaty and short of breath. Lasts sometimes an hour. Ive drove myself to the urgent care more times than I can count thinking I was about to die. I could of bought a new car with all those 20 dollar co-pays!
Anxiety.. Who gets it?
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theycallmejake
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i used to get it bad. doc put me on all kinds of benzos and anti depressants. nothing worked. i kicked the woman i had at the time out, and ive been fine for 6-7 years. some women are poison
Ningy
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I agree with Plang, that is definitely a great way to level ya.
Juced_porkchop
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Xanax long term i wouldent rec.
look into these 2 things: Kava Kava root and valarian root.
helps me alot.
look into these 2 things: Kava Kava root and valarian root.
helps me alot.
That's the same thing as Valium right?
Plang
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Same family...benzos....klonopin is to Valium as test cypionate is to test prop
theycallmejake
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mary jane back in the day gave me WICKED panic attacks. changes in my lifestyle made my anxiety stop. breathing exercises works wonders as well
NAIR
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Here's a great piece by a physician. Though it's meant to delineate an effective withdraw (tapering) protocol, it nonetheless breaks down the drugs and compares them to one another. Very good read!
By Dr. Reg Peart
Valium (Diazepam) vs. Klonopin (Clonazepam) in Benzodiazepine Withdrawal
About 20 different drugs, including diazepam, clonazepam, barbiturates and other non-benzodiazepine drugs have been used for treating benzodiazepine withdrawals with varying degrees of success or failure. Diazepam is the most commonly used drug and has the highest success rate for the reasons given below, but because of the large inter-individual variability of response to benzodiazepines, there is no “one size fits all” solution to the withdrawal problem.
Diazepam and clonazepam, like all benzodiazepine drugs, were found to have five therapeutic actions -- i.e. anxiolytic, muscle relaxant, anticonvulsant, amnesic and hypnotic. Diazepam was marketed in the mid 1960s for all five therapeutic actions; while clonazepam was developed and researched in the
late 1960s and early 1970s and marketed in the mid 1970s primarily as an
anxiolytic and anticonvulsant.
Any drug with similar therapeutic spectrum to the above will be both cross
tolerate and cross dependent with the benzodiazepines and in principle will be of some help in benzodiazepine withdrawal. As well as the therapeutic actions, drugs with long half-lives are essential to prevent interdose withdrawals and to produce a helpful accumulation of the parent drug.
In a few benzodiazepines the metabolites of the parent drug are also therapeutically active with the same five therapeutic actions. Of these only
diazepam and chlordiazepoxide (Librium) have long half-lives for the parent
drug and for the active metabolites. Librium is most commonly used for
alcohol withdrawal and diazepam for a range of drug withdrawal problems.
The active metabolites of diazepam are:
1) Desmethyldiazepam – marketed as clorazepate (Tranxene) and prazepam (Centrax).
2) Oxazepam – marketed as Serenid
3) Temazepam – marketed as Normison/Euhypnos
The combined half-life of diazepam and its active metabolites is over 200 hours and this produces an accumulation of 5-7 times the therapeutic action
of diazepam. It takes up to eight weeks for most of the accumulated drugs to be eliminated from the body. This "umbrella" of the benzodiazepines is the main reason for the success of diazepam tapering. The high accumulation levels produced by the diazepam active metabolites also reduces the probability of tolerance problems during tapering.
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There is no obvious reason why about 10% of the people have problems with diazepam tapering, but it is sometimes due to one or more of the following:
1) Incorrect equivalent dose – the values quoted by Ashton, et. al.
are those found to be effective in benzodiazepine withdrawal and should in principle compensate for any difference in binding of the benzodiazepines to either the same or different benzodiazepine receptors. There values are not necessarily the same as therapeutically effective doses, but sometimes are.
2) Poorly planned or too short a period for the exchange from another benzodiazepine to diazepam. Mild daytime sedation at the end of a 2-3 weeks exchange suggests the equivalent dose is correct.
3) Failure to maximize accumulation of diazepam used and its metabolites – it takes about four weeks to achieve 90% accumulation: i.e., four weeks after exchange.
4) Tapering too fast. Each person should find the rate suitable to themselves. A good starting guide is 2 ½ % of the initial dose/week. The rate for the last 1/3 of the taper should be reduced to ½ of that for the first 2/3.
Clonazepam is one of the nitro-benzodiazepines series, i.e. nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, clonazepam, and nimetazepam. It has a half-life of 20-50 hours and accumulates from 1.5 to 3 times the daily dose level. Most of it is eliminated from the body in 5–10 days. Along with triazolam, clonazepam has the highest incidence of side effects/adverse reactions of the benzodiazepines.
An important difference between diazepam and clonazepam is that clonazepam does not produce active metabolites. Withdrawal symptoms increase markedly with accumulation of clonzepam, much of which is due to
action of the inactive metabolites as well as the parent drug. This withdrawal
symptom problem can be minimized at dose levels below 3 mg/day.
In most countries, diazepam is marketed in 2 mg, 5 mg, and 10 mg tablets and solution yielding 0.1 mgs or less. Clonazepam is marketed only as 0.5 mg. and 2 mg. (in the US it is produced as 0.125 mg, 0.25 mg, 0.50 mg, 1.0 mg, and 2.0 mg tablets). Hence for many, the option of using clonazepam will not be available for practical reasons.
Very few papers have been published on the use of clonazepam in benzodiazepine withdrawals compared with many on the use of diazepam;
hence it is not possible to make an assessment of their relative merits.
Clonazepam meets three out of four of the criteria -- (1) The five therapeutic actions, (2) a long half-life, and (3) accumulation -- and it may well be suitable for a minority. It’s a “black art,” not a science.
By Dr. Reg Peart
Valium (Diazepam) vs. Klonopin (Clonazepam) in Benzodiazepine Withdrawal
About 20 different drugs, including diazepam, clonazepam, barbiturates and other non-benzodiazepine drugs have been used for treating benzodiazepine withdrawals with varying degrees of success or failure. Diazepam is the most commonly used drug and has the highest success rate for the reasons given below, but because of the large inter-individual variability of response to benzodiazepines, there is no “one size fits all” solution to the withdrawal problem.
Diazepam and clonazepam, like all benzodiazepine drugs, were found to have five therapeutic actions -- i.e. anxiolytic, muscle relaxant, anticonvulsant, amnesic and hypnotic. Diazepam was marketed in the mid 1960s for all five therapeutic actions; while clonazepam was developed and researched in the
late 1960s and early 1970s and marketed in the mid 1970s primarily as an
anxiolytic and anticonvulsant.
Any drug with similar therapeutic spectrum to the above will be both cross
tolerate and cross dependent with the benzodiazepines and in principle will be of some help in benzodiazepine withdrawal. As well as the therapeutic actions, drugs with long half-lives are essential to prevent interdose withdrawals and to produce a helpful accumulation of the parent drug.
In a few benzodiazepines the metabolites of the parent drug are also therapeutically active with the same five therapeutic actions. Of these only
diazepam and chlordiazepoxide (Librium) have long half-lives for the parent
drug and for the active metabolites. Librium is most commonly used for
alcohol withdrawal and diazepam for a range of drug withdrawal problems.
The active metabolites of diazepam are:
1) Desmethyldiazepam – marketed as clorazepate (Tranxene) and prazepam (Centrax).
2) Oxazepam – marketed as Serenid
3) Temazepam – marketed as Normison/Euhypnos
The combined half-life of diazepam and its active metabolites is over 200 hours and this produces an accumulation of 5-7 times the therapeutic action
of diazepam. It takes up to eight weeks for most of the accumulated drugs to be eliminated from the body. This "umbrella" of the benzodiazepines is the main reason for the success of diazepam tapering. The high accumulation levels produced by the diazepam active metabolites also reduces the probability of tolerance problems during tapering.
^^ back to top
There is no obvious reason why about 10% of the people have problems with diazepam tapering, but it is sometimes due to one or more of the following:
1) Incorrect equivalent dose – the values quoted by Ashton, et. al.
are those found to be effective in benzodiazepine withdrawal and should in principle compensate for any difference in binding of the benzodiazepines to either the same or different benzodiazepine receptors. There values are not necessarily the same as therapeutically effective doses, but sometimes are.
2) Poorly planned or too short a period for the exchange from another benzodiazepine to diazepam. Mild daytime sedation at the end of a 2-3 weeks exchange suggests the equivalent dose is correct.
3) Failure to maximize accumulation of diazepam used and its metabolites – it takes about four weeks to achieve 90% accumulation: i.e., four weeks after exchange.
4) Tapering too fast. Each person should find the rate suitable to themselves. A good starting guide is 2 ½ % of the initial dose/week. The rate for the last 1/3 of the taper should be reduced to ½ of that for the first 2/3.
Clonazepam is one of the nitro-benzodiazepines series, i.e. nitrazepam, flunitrazepam, clonazepam, and nimetazepam. It has a half-life of 20-50 hours and accumulates from 1.5 to 3 times the daily dose level. Most of it is eliminated from the body in 5–10 days. Along with triazolam, clonazepam has the highest incidence of side effects/adverse reactions of the benzodiazepines.
An important difference between diazepam and clonazepam is that clonazepam does not produce active metabolites. Withdrawal symptoms increase markedly with accumulation of clonzepam, much of which is due to
action of the inactive metabolites as well as the parent drug. This withdrawal
symptom problem can be minimized at dose levels below 3 mg/day.
In most countries, diazepam is marketed in 2 mg, 5 mg, and 10 mg tablets and solution yielding 0.1 mgs or less. Clonazepam is marketed only as 0.5 mg. and 2 mg. (in the US it is produced as 0.125 mg, 0.25 mg, 0.50 mg, 1.0 mg, and 2.0 mg tablets). Hence for many, the option of using clonazepam will not be available for practical reasons.
Very few papers have been published on the use of clonazepam in benzodiazepine withdrawals compared with many on the use of diazepam;
hence it is not possible to make an assessment of their relative merits.
Clonazepam meets three out of four of the criteria -- (1) The five therapeutic actions, (2) a long half-life, and (3) accumulation -- and it may well be suitable for a minority. It’s a “black art,” not a science.
Plang
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If you don't partake often it defintely can have that affect....I really don't get "high" in the sense that I seperate from reality....insefintely have a tolerance....but what it does do for me is help me look at life from a differed perspective....I appreciate the little things more....like say there is an airplane flying overhead...generally most people would think...an airplane.....and that's it.....when my reality is changed I think "wow....how amazing is it that man created a machine that flys through the air"....I appreciate the smell of a flower...i worry about the now.....about what I can control....and not about what I can't.....sure...replicating that mindframe through breathing exercises may work to acheive that mindframe....but for me MJ is a straight ticket to that mindset
Edit:
And yes...I was in the right "mindset" while typing this post
NAIR
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
I'd love to experience this and get off benzos. Problem is, the stuff sends me into a frantic, damn near scitsofrenic state. Additionally, smoking really sucks--can one consume it in a healthier manner?
Plang
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Vaporizer works well...i actually enjoy smoking though....
I feel ya on getting off benzos....I was prescribed xanaxs, valiums, klonopins and pretty much every benzo Under sun for a 8 month period...I also hooked up with a chic who worked at a pharamcy and would fill old patients prescriptions and "deliver it to them"...I'm reality she would drop them off to me.....the breaking point was when my last memory was Sunday morning NFL football pregame and than my next memory was waking up with mybhead stuck to my laptop and it was Wednesday...I said fck that....decided to quit cold turkey....the withdrawls were terrible....the worst was day 3....from there it got better each day....I was a shell of the person I am....workouts sucked....my life sucked....no anxiety....but nothing to get excited about....I couldn't anyway....MJ isn't an escape...it's an enhancer....to ms that's one of of the beauty of life....without rain you don't appreciate a sunny day......without death life wouldn't mean much.....
Get_Swole
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
been on lexapro for about 3 years now at 10mg's keeps me in check, doesnt give me any sides at all really unless i stop taking it for a few days ten i wanna kill everyone in sight. I got them bad starting about 6 years ago after a trip to cancun, ive learned to use my mind to overcome them but back in the day i made a couple trips to the ER thinking i was going to fucking die myself. Scary shit if you have a bad one for sure.
Johnny_Boy
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2 things:
temazapam is for sleep, period and is also called Restoril is the name brand version. They are yellow capsules. they make a 15mg and a 30mg.
2nd is triazolam or Halcion is short acting benzo, very short acting coming in .25mgs, .5mgs. 1mg and I think that's it. This is also a sleep med.
Valium and Xanax are as you said used for many diff reasons. Benzos can be kicked. It's a habit, not an addiction and habits can be broken.
This person has to want to really get off mind over matter and some are stronger than others. It should not take 4 weeks to kick valium or xanax it's a c4 or c 5 mild. Does he have to or he just wants to? Is he abusing them?
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Johnny_Boy
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get that blue card and your legal big boy. Personally it makes me anti social. I get so baked I don't know what to say.
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thanks for all the imput guys.
I never have got in that "mindset" in my entire life. Just never interested in it. Im looking up some breathing techniques to try to battle the anxiety. I went on an airplane for the first time this past june and was nervous as hell so my doc gave me a script of xanax with 2 refills because he wanted me to play with the dosage. I took one .25g or mg whatever the dosage is and I think it raised my anxiety level. My gf used them to fall asleep, now theres none left lol
I never have got in that "mindset" in my entire life. Just never interested in it. Im looking up some breathing techniques to try to battle the anxiety. I went on an airplane for the first time this past june and was nervous as hell so my doc gave me a script of xanax with 2 refills because he wanted me to play with the dosage. I took one .25g or mg whatever the dosage is and I think it raised my anxiety level. My gf used them to fall asleep, now theres none left lol
theycallmejake
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bro, i smoked every day for years before it started giving me panic attacks. but now that i think back, could have been other stresses in my life. but i do agree with you. but when i did smoke, i was calm as a cucumber. always. actually didnt drink a drop of alcohol for years when i smoked. never desired to.
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