clen

i just gave my girl my oxy. clen because i had to take too many so i switched to NYC.  i told her to take 1 the first day then taper up to her max and stay there for a few days, then taper down.  then the next 2 weeks use an eca stack.  my questions for the women that have used clen:
1. how were your results?
2. how much cardio did you do?
3. what kind of diet did you do?

she usually eats low carbs except for saturday or sunday usually.  she walks like an hour-hour and a half a day, 4 days a week.  thanks for any help you can give me for her

she doesn't need to taper down.. that max dose is what she should stay at..

as for results.. when i did clen by it's self.. they where great. leaned up pretty good on them.. it was a while ago don't remember the exact amount of bf lost now.. sorry..

as for cardio i was doing the eliptical for 45 min 5 days a wk.. some days more minutes most was 60 min.. i vary the intensity while on though.. high one the incline and resistence.. varied them both up and down thru the workout..

at the time i was on just a simple 40/30/30 diet and it as good.. she can go on a keto for more impact..


sasha

thanks sasha.  i was told to taper it when i was going to use it.  i will take your word on not tapering but why shouldn't you?

I'm currently doing 2wks ECA/2wks clen and I'm getting great results.  I have leaned up quite a bit.  I never had my bf taken so I can't give you those stats, but I can tell you this...I love clen and it works really well for me.  I already did 2wks of ECA and then 2 wks of clen--I'm back to ECA for the next 2 wks.

I also started off with one tab of clen then upped my dose ED until I reached my limit.  And I don't taper down either--I never had

I try to do cardio 4-5 x's a wk for at least 30mins--and my diet--well that's another story--I should be more strict--but I eat pretty good.  Well I hope this helps.

FLY

thanks for the help fly.  i will let her know not to taper down.

I have got a question. You say to start with one tab of clen a day and peak at how many a day? Also i was wondering about the cycle. A friend of mine told me to do the 2 weeks of clen and the 2 weeks of an ECA stack. Is that the best? I had also read about taking clen 2 days on and 2 days off. Also, it is best to just eat a healthy diet?

I was up to 80mcg of the clen a day. I couldn't handle much more than that. Everyone's body responds differently so what may be all that I can handle may be too much or too little for you. That is why you start with one tab then increase your dosage gradually. I have never done 2 days clen and then 2 days off so I don't know how that works, I just know that it was said to me to be most effective doing the 2 wk clen 2 wk ECA. BUT then again...everyone always has a different opinion

BTW, welcome to MC

Peace, SF

If i am just starting and i am taking one tablet of clen, do i take it as soon as i wake up? Do i want to wait a certain amount of time before eating? Also, when i start taking more tabs to i take like one in the morning and then space the rest out throughout the day or what? Lastly, do i need to limit things like caffeine when i am on clen, or any other things? What brand of ECA stack do you recommend? Thanks a lot

I agree with what Spanishfly said. If you are taking clen you may want to restrict your caffeine intake because it can make you very jittery. I like stacker 2 and stacker 3 for my ECA.

ooops, sorry, didn't see your first questions. Are the tablets that you have .2 or .4? If they are .2 then start out with one first thing in the morning. If .4 then break it in half for the first few days and ramp up. I space mine out (I go up to 100mcg/day) about five hours apart, but I'm not sure if thats the right way to do it... it just seems to work well that way for me.

Ok... I'm new and I need some help.

I have been on low-no carbs for about 1year, and saw SOME results. I am basically trying to lose about 15 lbs.

My roomate is big into growth stuff, and he told me about Clen. I am taking Xenadrine right now, and I don't think I am eating enough. I am kind of scared to eat carbs because I feel like they stick to me. (don't laugh)

Should I try this Clen? I'm kind of wary about supplements! I have been in the gym for the past week at 1 1/2 hrs of cardio and some weights. My workout is decent, but I have to tighten up. I have definition, but I'm at around 135 and want to get to 120 or 115.

Sorry for the long post... thanks.

First, get over your intense fear of carbohydrates. Instead of doing no carb, change the kind of carbs that you are eating. Stick with carbs that are low on the glycemic index (low GI) and that are fibrous. Just try to stay away from sugary simple carbs. I'll post a link to a site that shows you which are which ( there's too much to list here). I assume your protein intake is probably pretty high if you've been eating low carb, make sure to keep your protein intake up and cut the calories that you will add by now adding carbs from the fat in your diet (you need to have some fat though, so don't cut it all out).

Next, how often are you going to the gym? You said 1 1/2 hours of cardio... is that daily? If it is, that's way too much cardio IMO. Drop the cardio to about 30 minutes 4 or 5 x per week and start doing more weight training. Either get a few sessions with a personal trainer at your gym (so you know the correct way to do exercises and won't hurt yourself) or go to Barnes and Noble bookstores and get a copy of a good bodybuilding basics book. It will show simple and effective movements.

Fix your diet and your training first before messing around with supplements. Then, if you are going to supplement I would stick with an E/C/A for a while before switching to soemthing like clen. If you aren't happy with the xenadrine try stacker 2 (or 3 or 4) or just go to a straight ephedra/caffiene/aspirin cocktail of your own (mini thins/coffee/and aspirin). After you go through all this then you may want to try the clen. It works, but its not gonna be a magic pill that fixes everything if your food and training aren't in order.

This is just my $.02

Welcome to MC laurlaur....i also am trying to do the same as you...i have only done anavar and T3...I'm currently at 5'3" 110lbs..and my bf is pretty low, i'm not sure at exactly what...but i'm looking into tightening up some more.

I actually hit the gym about 5x a week... Weights first, then I do treadmill (run/walk intervals)for about 15min then go into the studio and do 30-45min aerobics.

I am going to start incorporating SOME carbs into my diet... I guess all of these diets are trying to sell no carbs burns stored bady fat.

OK.. so, add SOME fiborous carbs... whole wheat, etc. and eat low-fat? I have been eating high-fat, almost no carb, high pro.
I thought low-fat was high sugar???? SEE! Very confusing.

One more question... If I am eating ground turkey, can I put some marinara sauce on it? And, what about sushi? I am addicted to it, but know that there are a lot of carbs in it.

Thanks!!!!!! Laur

PS-I am on Xenadrine right now, taking 2 in am and 2 mid-afternoon (rec. dosage)

Welcome to MC, Laur!!

BC gave you great advice. I would probably try the ECA before doing clen. See how that works for you first, you maybe be satified with its results. I know that it works great for me. I do it twice a day, once as soon as I get up in the morning and again about 30-40 mins prior to my workout which is around 5pm. Well good luck and hope to see you around!!

Peace, SF

Yeah... I am taking Xen right now, like I said. I guess its working... I have taken it before.

I'll tell you this much... I have always went to the gym. But I HATED cardio. I never did it. I am 24, and I have been going since around 16.

Well, I started going for 1 1/2 hours for about 5 days now, and I SWEAR (maybe it's me) but I can already see some results! I have NEVER run before ( I smoke occasionally)and it feels great.

About my diet, I have been trying so hard to follow a good diet, but I can't eat every 3 hours, my job doesn't allow it.

I think I'll stick to my Xen cycle before I try any hard stuff.

PS- Could anyone answer the pasta sauce/sushi questions for me I posted up there? And the low fat means high-sugar??? Thanks. Laur

I Just started running about 3 months ago and I feel great too. It keeps me lean and my stomach trim. I did run last yr but for some reason stopped. I think I got burned out from my workout sessions being too long. Anyhow, keep up the good work!! and keep us posted.

I'm not real good with the diet aspect so hopefully some one else can help you there!!

SF

Low fat doesn't have to = high sugar...just don't buy "low fat" prepackaged foods. Continue to eat lots of protein, but stick to low fat stuff like skinless chicken, tuna, protein shakes, lo-fat cottage cheese, soy products, etc.

By fibrous carbs I mean vegetables like broccoli, peas, etc. Stay low on the glycemic index and stick with complex carbs (there's a site online somewhere that lists the GI of foods...I'll try to find it). If you can try switching to oat breads instead of wheats because wheat often causes water retention.

In and of itself sushi has no carbs in it...just protein and a little fat (but watch shellfish, it can be very high cholesterol). It's the rice that is wrapped in with it in the rolls that is very high carb. White rice is not very nutritionally healthy (you're much better off with brown) but if you don't go crazy with it you should be okay. My suggestion for the marinara is to make your own (that way you can control the sugar in it), but honestly, unless you're on a competition diet I don't think that tiny amount of carbs would be bad.

Ground turkey is typically not low fat, despite what many people think. Many types of beef are actually lower. Stick with whole turkey breasts, or if you want ground stuff find a butcher that will custom grind it for you (or, if you can find it switch to ostrich burgers).

The cardio is okay, just make sure you are weight training with enough intensity. Women often get sucked into relying too much on what the scale says and becoming "skinny fat". IMO weights are more important.

GI index

Glycemic Index
Beans
baby lima 32
baked 43
black 30
brown 38
butter 31
chickpeas 33
kidney 27
lentil 30
navy 38
pinto 42
red lentils 27
split peas 32
soy 18

Breads
bagel 72
croissant 67
Kaiser roll 73
pita 57
pumpernickel 49
rye 64
rye, dark 76
rye, whole 50
white 72
whole wheat 72
waffles 76

Cereals
All Bran 44
Bran Chex 58
Cheerios 74
Corn Bran 75
Corn Chex 83
Cornflakes 83
Cream of Wheat 66
Crispix 87
Frosted Flakes 55
Grapenuts 67
Grapenuts Flakes 80
Life 66
Muesli 60
NutriGrain 66
Oatmeal 49
Oatmeal 1 min 66
Puffed Wheat 74
Puffed Rice 90
Rice Bran 19
Rice Chex 89
Rice Krispies 82
Shredded Wheat 69
Special K 54
Swiss Muesli 60
Team 82
Total 76
Cookies
Graham crackers 74
oatmeal 55
shortbread 64
Vanilla Wafers 77

Crackers
Kavli Norwegian 71
rice cakes 82
rye 63
saltine 72
stoned wheat thins 67
water crackers 78

Desserts
angel Food Cake 67
banana bread 47
blueberry muffin 59
bran muffin 60
Danish 59
fruit bread 47
pound cake 54
sponge cake 46

Fruit
apple 38
apricot, canned 64
apricot, dried 30
apricot jam 55
banana 62
banana, unripe 30
canteloupe 65
cherries 22
dates, dried 103
fruit cocktail 55
grapefruit 25
grapes 43
kiwi 52
mango 55
orange 43
papaya 58
peach 42
pear 36
pineapple 66
plum 24
raisins 64
strawberries 32
strawberry jam 51
watermelon 72
Grains
barley 22
brown rice 59
buckwheat 54
bulger 47
chickpeas 36
cornmeal 68
couscous 65
hominy 40
millet 75
rice, instant 91
rice, parboiled 47
rye 34
sweet corn 55
wheat, whole 41
white rice 88
wh. rice, high amylose 59

Juices
agave nector11
apple 41
grapefruit 48
orange 55
pineapple 46

Milk Products
chocolate milk 34
ice cream 50
milk 34
pudding43
soy milk 31
yogurt 38

Pasta
brown rice pasta 92
gnocchi 68
linguine, durum 50
macaroni 46
macaroni & cheese 64
spaghetti 40
spag. prot. enrich. 28
vermicelli 35
vermicelli, rice 58

Sweets
honey 58
jelly beans 80
Life Savers 70
M&M's Choc. Peanut 33
Skittles 70
Snickers 41

(http://www.diabetesnet.com/diabetes_food_diet/glycemic_index.php )
this has a few more options http://athletics.colgate.edu/powerperformance/Nutrition/GIChart.htm but not the GI number..

in regards to the marinara sauce... you have to read what they put into it unless you are making it yourself or even a can diced tomatoe's is good.. the best way to watch what you are taking in is to make it yourself... as BC said prepackaged food can be very very misleading.. everything that sticky and i eat is all fresh made by me.. other then protien shakes and bars.. this way i know what is in there.

cardio... 1.5 a day is way to long and can prove to be counter productive to your desires...
what you can try is start with a stretching routine to help get the blood moving.. and the muscles and tend/ lig ready for whats to come... then cardio... 20-30 min ... this is benifical because it warms up the body tissues so you are not going into your weight routine "cold" .. following the cardio then begin your weight/ resistence routine, keep your rest period to 20sec between sets. by the time you are completed with your workout.. that cardio will have been continued throught the weight/ resistence routine. (note people think cuircut training is strickly weight loss.. muscle mass can be gained with this type of workout if performed properly)


sasha

babysiren said:

Welcome to MC laurlaur....i also am trying to do the same as you...i have only done anavar and T3...I'm currently at 5'3" 110lbs..and my bf is pretty low, i'm not sure at exactly what...but i'm looking into tightening up some more.

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Now what would you need that? Geesh some women are neversatisfied .