A post made by Dave Palumbo today on HGH and IGF

nuknuk

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I actually answer this question on Tonight's HEAVY MUSCLE RADIO show........ but the quick answer is that it's LENGTH OF TIME ON GH that's way more important than how much you take. 3-4IU per day will produce just as good results as 8IU per day will as long as you take it continuously. Remember, your body GROWS from GH because of the IFG-1 that's released in the liver in response to the GH. Your LIVER can only crank out so much IGF per day in response to GH. Above 4-5IU per day, I believe the liver will no longer produce more GH.............all that will happen is that you'll burn more fat, become more insulin resistant (leaving you prone to TYPE 2 Diabetes), and get more BLOATAED..........and, in my book, that doesn't equate to more muscle. No one used more than 5IU per day back in the 90's. It was too expensive and hard to get and look at the Monsters from back then. Remember, if after reading this you think that you can OUTSMART the fact that the body can't really crank out more IGF-1 by the liver than what would be produced by 5IU GH by taking EXOGENOUS IGF-1 in high amounts, think again! If you inject more than 20mcg per day of IGF-1, your body will downregulate its IGF-1 receptors and youll stop responding to the hormone very rapidly. So MORE GH or IGF-1 is not the answer...........SOUND NUTRITION, a good threshold of GH/IGF-1 (without overkill), and hardcore/badass training is what'll make you HUGE! Just ask JEFF LONG.... he's a living testament to that fact!​
 
bump, What do you guys think of his post?

I think the overall message of less is more is a good message but i think his numbers are slightly low.

As for Jeff Long, im pretty sure he used more then the dosages listed here, Jeffs Local to me.......
 
so for IGF if i am running 80 mcg /day , will it be better to cut it down to 40 mcg and run it longer ?
 
so for IGF if i am running 80 mcg /day , will it be better to cut it down to 40 mcg and run it longer ?

it depend on you bro, i personaly use 50mcgs daily. but others use up to 100mcgs daily, and some pros I know go through a bottle every 2 days, so if you ramped it up starting out low and moving up daily and found that 80 is ur number then stick to it! but if u havent started low and ramped up to find ur dose then maybe try that.
 
it depend on you bro, i personaly use 50mcgs daily. but others use up to 100mcgs daily, and some pros I know go through a bottle every 2 days, so if you ramped it up starting out low and moving up daily and found that 80 is ur number then stick to it! but if u havent started low and ramped up to find ur dose then maybe try that.

thanks a lot bro.
 
I do not agree with that or we wouldn't see SO MANY guys grow when they jack up the GH dose....for instance how many guys turn pro say in their 30's then BOOM more $$, more GH & they gain 30lbs
 
I do not agree with that or we wouldn't see SO MANY guys grow when they jack up the GH dose....for instance how many guys turn pro say in their 30's then BOOM more $$, more GH & they gain 30lbs
took the words outta my mouth bro!! I agree with you. I 100% do not believe the vast majority of pros got to where they are at by using a few IU's... and when I say that, I know there are other supps involved, but im talking just GH when I say I dont believe
 
I do not agree with that or we wouldn't see SO MANY guys grow when they jack up the GH dose....for instance how many guys turn pro say in their 30's then BOOM more $$, more GH & they gain 30lbs

I completely agree with this statement. Look at professional athletes, take Barry Bonds for example, when he was younger he was small, but when we got the big contract from the Giants, bam, he's huge
 
There's a top national level athlete on another board that said the major difference in him going up 7-8placings & a weight class in a year was higher GH...also another nat level guy I'm friends with seen his coach prescribe the same thing for athletes that can afford it & several turned pro in the past 5yrs(all guys from wealthy families):thumbsup:
 
Dave Palumbo is a smart guy and I respect him, but there are several things he espouses that I disagree with, including this. I have seen blood work from people on 3iu, 5iu, 8iu, 10iu and the more they take the higher their IGF is. Anywhere from a baseline of around 150, up to over 800. If Dave was correct this would not be the case.
 
If You've ever seen his HUGE feet & hands in person You'd know he himself has taken ALOT more then that lol
 
It's crazy when you meet the pro bodybuilders because their hands are HUGE

this is so true...I remember tom price when he was doing really well, just turned pro..and his hands where huge...so thick and just huge ... his bones look so thick but he had a small looking waist...crazy...
 
I do not agree with that or we wouldn't see SO MANY guys grow when they jack up the GH dose....for instance how many guys turn pro say in their 30's then BOOM more $$, more GH & they gain 30lbs

I kinda agree with you. I believe that the body always gets used to whatever you are using, so over time you have to up the dose to continue to grow. Of course, small dosages always work at first but after years of use you have to jack up the dose to really grow to a pro level....
 
If You've ever seen his HUGE feet & hands in person You'd know he himself has taken ALOT more then that lol

I'll take this a step further and stand atop Mt Olympia waving my BULLSHIT flag. Palumbo has one of the most disgusting physiques ever and it certainly isn't because he was born that way. He had to abuse GH to build the tissue he did and it turned him into a bigger, but disfigured freak. Look at the guys face!! Oh ya and Lee Priest only does 200mg of test....
There were several sources that stated Dorian did 20iu of GH day. Not all Pro's abuse and Joe Blow average guy like me shouldn't think that higher doses are going to make me a Pro. No matter what I do it won't, but making statements like this is just stupid. We all know exogenous GH administration causes a cascade of effects. To say its limited to nothing but blood plasma release of IGF is just stupid and ignorant. Palumbo wants to make a living in a sport he failed at. To do so, he uses his medical background to stir debate. I get significantly better results at 100mcg of IGF a session than I do at 50mcg. You can show me every blood panel, pie graph, lunar eclipse schedule, and bodybuilder signed statement in the world and it's not going to change. Palumbo is a dipshit.
 
I'll take this a step further and stand atop Mt Olympia waving my BULLSHIT flag. Palumbo has one of the most disgusting physiques ever and it certainly isn't because he was born that way. He had to abuse GH to build the tissue he did and it turned him into a bigger, but disfigured freak. Look at the guys face!! Oh ya and Lee Priest only does 200mg of test....
There were several sources that stated Dorian did 20iu of GH day. Not all Pro's abuse and Joe Blow average guy like me shouldn't think that higher doses are going to make me a Pro. No matter what I do it won't, but making statements like this is just stupid. We all know exogenous GH administration causes a cascade of effects. To say its limited to nothing but blood plasma release of IGF is just stupid and ignorant. Palumbo wants to make a living in a sport he failed at. To do so, he uses his medical background to stir debate. I get significantly better results at 100mcg of IGF a session than I do at 50mcg. You can show me every blood panel, pie graph, lunar eclipse schedule, and bodybuilder signed statement in the world and it's not going to change. Palumbo is a dipshit.



LMAO, you were really on a roll here Dude! LOL. :laugh:
 
Dude is a 110% correct!!! If anyone has seen the guys Palumbo has trained then you've seen them all leave him n move on to someone else and change their physiques drastically!!! Great thread
 
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