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after being off jucie for a year and even running an only clomid cycle (doctor perscribed) my test levels are at 337...theyve been low for a whole year..im 27 and i did dumb cycles started from androtestorone when i was 17 (when it was legal)...first test only when i was 20...and then prob 3 or 4 other cycles since then now im 27... if i jus start using the gel..is there negative long term side effects? i dontwant to become dependent on it... and i want to have kids oneday...what would you guys do in my situation?

Been there buddy....best thing you can do is a full blood panel and sperm analyst done to make sure everything is firing on all cylinders, especially if you're wanting children soon or one day.....

It took me forever to get my natty test up and sperm back up for kids, so ur not alone brutha. Hcg helped me and now I have new born twins so just keep with a good doctor and you can get back to normal and for all you know you might have had low levels genetically at your age cause your cycle history ain't nothing like mine was lol so give it time bro

337 is low but mine was worse at 27 lol as far as kids check out DAA or it could be used just to boost testosterone maybe just run an AI. what was your estrogen?

Your cycle history dosnt seem that high, your 27 and you should be able to boost that back up, HCG will be a good starting point.

Scratch that was only 239.. And I was just getting good results in the gym I felt like it had to be high.. So I tried clomped a lone didn't help..gunna see the doc tomorro.. U think hcg is best option?

I haven't taken juice in almost year and it was like 2 years before that

Clomid alone will never bring up your test levels. Whoever your doctor is, they are trying to use outdated methodologies. At 27 years old, a male should be between 700-900 on average. If 337 or 239 is your level at 27 years old, using clomid, you are likely not going to bring your levels up that way. FSH and LH are the hormones needed to stimulate the testis to produce testosterone. Your doctor should have done a test to see what those hormone levels are. If he has not (or won't), get another doctor, period. If FSH and LH are low, then HCG should likely bring them up as long as there isn't anything else wrong, and testosterone production will increase. If they are at normal levels, then you aren't responding to them, and TRT will probably be needed for the rest of your life. I know that's something you probably don't want to hear, but you have to be realistic. You need testosterone to function. If you're like me, and FSH and LH are non-existent, again TRT will probably be needed for the rest of your life. I went to the doctor at 30 with the same levels as you, only I had never touched steroids. Those were my natural levels. I have been on TRT since then, just over 14 years solid. I haven't suffered any ill effects besides acne annoying me from time to time and male pattern baldness (which runs in my family anyway, and I still kept my hair longer than my older and younger brother did). My recent blood tests show I have FSH and LH levels of 0. Yep, zilch, nada. I have to be "on" for the rest of my life. At this point, my wife and I aren't looking to have kids so that's okay, and that's our choice, but we could still have them if we wanted if I went on HCG.

Big z that was some great info man can't thank you enough.. If I go the hcg route... How should i do it..know my doctor will give it if I wanted it. So my question is how much and
how long.. Also after coming off how long should i wait to get them checked out again to see if it worked

Great info bigZ

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Big z that was some great info man can't thank you enough.. If I go the hcg route... How should i do it..know my doctor will give it if I wanted it. So my question is how much and
how long.. Also after coming off how long should i wait to get them checked out again to see if it worked

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Back when I was more concerned about having kids, my doc put me on 500iu every three days, 10,000 iu total. When I was tested for fertility about 3 weeks after, I had 30 million, which isn't a lot, but "still dangerous" according to my doc. At the time, however, I was still producing my own FSH and LH. You'll want to get those hormones checked before you start any HCG. If your doc prescribes HCG to you, he will certainly give you a dosing schedule which may or may not be the same as mine, and he should give you a time when to check for fertility if that's what you're after. There never seems to be a standard for HCG. If you're using HCG to boost your test levels, it may take a 3-4 weeks before seeing any improvement there, and it won't be anywhere near the level you really want it to be for being 27 years old. To increase test levels, realistically, you should be on a TRT dose.

Ok so I'm gunna have those 2 items checked... I'm not having kids anytime soon... If they are low or non existent I'll try HCG.. .. Otherwise I'll try natural things .. I used tongkat Ali 200:1 worked well for me did it 2 weeks on 2 weeks on its suppose to boost your natural test.. U guys know anything about that ?

Never heard of it.

yeah ive never heard of it either bro sorry

I think its an herb, isn't it?

Yep its an herb......if ur at zero or close to it don't waste ur money and time......hcg will bring it back...doc had me on 500 iu every other day along with fsh shots to go from zero to 20 million and was good enough for my fertility doc to help my wife and I have our son.