2nd Cycle - Test + dbol + pro

Hello all,

new member here.
Let me do a short introduction. I'm 24 y/o from Europe studying in the medical field and of course a bodybuilding fan. I'm training on/off for 11 years.
Now comes the question - can the more informed people give me some info/corrections about the cycle i'm thinking of doing?

First cycle was dbol 30mg ed solo, didn't get much results.(1 year ago)
For this cycle i'm thinking of this(it's one of the most used ones for a first cycle, read alot about it on the internet) for bulking(lacking weight atm) -

Dbol 30 mg ed (to start off the cycle for 2-4 weeks)
500mg/weekly Test enanthate (10 weeks)
Proviron 50mg ed during cycle

PCT - clomid 3 weeks 50 mg ed
tamox 3 weeks 10 mg ed

Does this look like a good cycle?
I want to ask aswell if taking proviron during the cycle, should i drop the test to 250mg/weekly or should i not use proviron at all?(theorethicaly it should increase the free test)
I also have the option of using test prop or test c if it will be a better option instead of enanthate.

As a first good bulking cycle it looks good..i dont do that high test but thats just me test e is fine why stick every other day when once a week is fine..right?
would u consider running test for 12-14 in stead of 10?
also i would front load the test as well..
ive used proviron buring cycle and it did make me seem more hard..so yeah keep it if u got it..
pct i would use tamox 50/50/20/20..thats not enough clomid..

if it was me i would run this.
test 1-16 400mg front load 800mg
bdol 1-4 30mg ed..13-18 dbol 30mg..ed..
proviron 50mg ed

pct nolva(tamox)18-22... 50/50/20/20..

now that is a good first bulk cycle..

if u have been training for 11years lets hope we dont need to talk about food right????

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p.s welcome to MC

Thank you for the greeting

for food no, i've studied alot of nutritional information, calories, macros etc etc...

so i should drop out clomid out of the list, but proviron should i use it during the whole cycle or as some suggest last 2-3 weeks of a test cycle? Will proviron alone be enough to battle against gyno/water? or should i use tamox aswell if they become a problem?
For the test i'm getting amps of 250mg each so 400 will be hard to manage, should i just drop to 250/weekly and do the time length you suggested?

Exarch said:

Thank you for the greeting

for food no, i've studied alot of nutritional information, calories, macros etc etc...

so i should drop out clomid out of the list, but proviron should i use it during the whole cycle or as some suggest last 2-3 weeks of a test cycle? Will proviron alone be enough to battle against gyno/water? or should i use tamox aswell if they become a problem?
For the test i'm getting amps of 250mg each so 400 will be hard to manage, should i just drop to 250/weekly and do the time length you suggested?

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welcome to MuscleChemistry brutha!

I would keep ur testosterone at 500mg a week! And I to think ur original cycle looks solid! Now keep in mind everyone or most everyone will say ur cycle looks solid but they , myself included will offer advice to tweak this or tweak that but were all going by what works best for us and our experience, so with that being said, ur cycle looks good, i wouldnt change a thing bro, and you will learn over time what works best for you! 500mg a week of testosterone is not that much at all, however my first cycle i only used 250mg a week for 10 weeks and i blew up, so for what its worth you can get away with less dose a week and maybe stretch out the cycle length,

And yes you should grab an anti-e , i would grab something that stops the conversion of testosterone to estrogen altogether, where as you mentioned tamox aka nolvadex, which only competes with free floating estrogen for the receptor site, and this is best when you already have signs of gyno like bloat, puffy itchy nips ect...

anyhow, welcome bro, and ur cycle looks good bro, oh and to charliebigspuds point above about testosterone being testosterone, so why inject every day or every other day when you can just do it once a week, well the answer to that is guys choose the faster acting testosterone like propionate incase any gyno issues arise, they can stop the test and it will be out of them faster so they can gett heir gyno isssues under control, where as a longer testosterone will stay in you longer obviously and making it more difficult if gyno issues arise, i prefer propionate, but charlies right, test is test in my opinion as long as gyno prone issues arent a problem, then i would always suggest shorter testosterone

WELCOME ONCE AGAIN BRUTHA

thank you for the info,

so proviron won't be sufficient enough as an anti-e?

Exarch said:

thank you for the info,

so proviron won't be sufficient enough as an anti-e?

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no it wont..but u have clomid on hand as well as nolva..
also try taking the clomid before bed it helps reduce the sides of clomid which are mood swings ect while on pct..good luck with the cycle u will love it compaired to dbol alone..
also the only reason i surgested test e over prop was i did not think u would like pinning e/o/day on your first cycle..
where are u living in europe right now Exarch??

hehe, hopefully
alright so i will keep the tamox/clomid for pct and tamox incase of a hard sides of gyno. Will it be a better idea to drop proviron and get arimidex 0,25 daily throughout the cycle?
pinning is not that much of a problem, i don't do it alone(colleagues do it) and i'm kind of used to it.

as for the location, ukraine atm.

I agree with Presser on the 500mg. One question I have though is why only 10 weeks? Typical cycles with test e usually go at least 12-16 weeks since it doesn't really kick in for 3-4 weeks. Hypothetically, you'd want at least 12.

Well i'm not sure, might do 12 if all of you suggest it. I read that it's usually that long, maybe the 10 weeks is just me thinking too much As for the dosage, maybe do a 250mg/week on my first test cycle, then depending on the results tweak with it or i won't see much results from it?

You have a girlfriend bro?

Not right now, why do you ask?

Exarch said:

Not right now, why do you ask?

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probably because your gona want to bank the shit out of here with the test and proviron, as well I wouldn't take adex every day its not needed everday imo.

Exarch said:

Not right now, why do you ask?

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Dude you're going to hornier than a dog with 3 nuts.

that would be a problem right now, but will have to manage.
As for arimidex should i even buy it in the first place or just stick with only nolva/clomid?

I'd buy it... nolva only blocks receptor sites. It doesn't actually decrease e2.

Alright i will get 50 tabs of a-dex and as i read now you do 0,5 eod when on cycle.

u could push it to e3d if u wanted...i ran an AI every 3 day..

so what are u planning now..as i see that u thought about only doing 250 per week now..

the reason i ask is because i personaly dont ever get sides from low dose of test over 500 i get sides..but we are all not made the same as dbol give me sides just by looking at it..lol..
if u wanted to push your cylce a bit longer and u already have the test u could pin 250 e5d not 500 e7d just a thought..bro..
did u doing any research on front loading at all?

Ok my 2 cents,

Keep the test at 500 mg a week, split 250mg Monday /250mg Thursday ( keeps your blood levels more stable) as already said front load your test for 2 weeks @ 750-1000mg. Then back to 500mg.
Dbol looks good
stretch ur cycle out to 12-14 weeks
Start slow with the proviron at 25mg and see how you do.
Proviron is great but at 1000mg front load and 50mg proviron I would fight at the drop of a hat!

WELCOME!

i will see about the a-dex when it arrives and the dosages, i don't want to take it that much just to keep the chance of sides at low %. if ppl are suggesting to not take it daily, i won't.

as for the plan - 12 weeks test e+ 4 weeks dbol 30mg, might do what you suggested 250 e5d as it will be alittle bit more than 250/w but less than 500. I want to go to 500 but i think as a first test cycle i might just stick to the 250 to see how my body accepts it. I can grab more test if needed.

I looked at some info pages/sites about front loading but didn't exactly understand it(about when to take 2nd dose, the half life etc etc.), is it needed as i will take dbol to start the cycle off?

Your front load would be the same as 500.
250 monday
250 Thursday

OR
front load of 750 would be 375 Monday & thursday

250mg is VERY LIGHT you may get minimal growth but it will only slight.
arimidex should be .25 mg every 3 days