Looking for suggestions for first AAS cycle for 51 year old...

First, just want to thank all the gurus who have given me sound advise on the PH and IGF! You guys are great!!
I mentioned to a few of you guys that I was planning to put up this thread.
Well, I just got back from a vacation and am looking to do my first AAS cycle. Did Dbol many years ago. But, thats all. I've read a bunch of the threads on MC and theres a lot of good info out there. What I'm looking for is to gain size and remain as lean as possible, even reduce fat. As some of you know, I recently did a PH blast that bloated me up bad. Thanks to good advise on MC, I got on the Nolva-Bloat and it helped a ton!
I've read that its good to keep it simple for the first few runs. I've also read a Test/Mast/IGF combo is good for what I'm trying to get out of it. I am on low dose TRT script. So, I plan cruise on that.
I'm a newbie and I want to do things right, so I'd appreciate any advise and suggestions you all can give me!

I'm 51 years old,
6'6"
275
about 16%bf

Thanks!

gojumac said:

First, just want to thank all the gurus who have given me sound advise on the PH and IGF! You guys are great!!
I mentioned to a few of you guys that I was planning to put up this thread.
Well, I just got back from a vacation and am looking to do my first AAS cycle. Did Dbol many years ago. But, thats all. I've read a bunch of the threads on MC and theres a lot of good info out there. What I'm looking for is to gain size and remain as lean as possible, even reduce fat. As some of you know, I recently did a PH blast that bloated me up bad. Thanks to good advise on MC, I got on the Nolva-Bloat and it helped a ton!
I've read that its good to keep it simple for the first few runs. I've also read a Test/Mast/IGF combo is good for what I'm trying to get out of it. I am on low dose TRT script. So, I plan cruise on that.
I'm a newbie and I want to do things right, so I'd appreciate any advise and suggestions you all can give me!

I'm 51 years old,
6'6"
275
about 16%bf

Thanks!

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Yeah you can get away with just testosterone (prefer propionate myself) and MC IGF-1 , and if you really want a bad ass cycle that will pack on muscle, and strength while keeping you lean as fuck then this is the cycle:

Tren ace 75mg eod
Test Prop 200mg eod
Winny 50mg eod
Mc IGF-1 50mcgs daily

A lot of guys say its just as good a cycle when you replace the winny with masteron and/or eq. But the Test prop, tren ace and igf-1 is a must for a kick ass cycle in my opinion!

Thanks Presser!
Before reading your recommendation, I was leaning toward:
Test cyp 400 - 600mg per week
IGF-1 50 mcg per day
Trying to keep it simple for first run.

But, you think the Tren is a big difference maker. So, I'll look into adding it.

Any suggestions for sides? Do you run Nolva or anything while on cycle? I remember you told me to get on it when I was on my PH cycle. Huge help!

Definitely have nolvadex on hand for sides and remember your post cycle clomid.

If you can handle the sides from Tren, Its all the difference in the world!~!! It'll transform you FOREVER!!

gojumac said:

First, just want to thank all the gurus who have given me sound advise on the PH and IGF! You guys are great!!
I mentioned to a few of you guys that I was planning to put up this thread.
Well, I just got back from a vacation and am looking to do my first AAS cycle. Did Dbol many years ago. But, thats all. I've read a bunch of the threads on MC and theres a lot of good info out there. What I'm looking for is to gain size and remain as lean as possible, even reduce fat. As some of you know, I recently did a PH blast that bloated me up bad. Thanks to good advise on MC, I got on the Nolva-Bloat and it helped a ton!
I've read that its good to keep it simple for the first few runs. I've also read a Test/Mast/IGF combo is good for what I'm trying to get out of it. I am on low dose TRT script. So, I plan cruise on that.
I'm a newbie and I want to do things right, so I'd appreciate any advise and suggestions you all can give me!

I'm 51 years old,
6'6"
275
about 16%bf

Thanks!

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Bro you and I are only 3 yrs apart, and I'd say the posters here nailed it right on, I've been off and on for over 30 yrs and this is good advice!!

Austin311 said:

If you can handle the sides from Tren, Its all the difference in the world!~!! It'll transform you FOREVER!!

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Your not kidding !! im am on my 4th week of Tren (first time ever using tren) and Holy Shit at my gains so far!!

gojumac said:

Thanks Presser!
Before reading your recommendation, I was leaning toward:
Test cyp 400 - 600mg per week
IGF-1 50 mcg per day
Trying to keep it simple for first run.

But, you think the Tren is a big difference maker. So, I'll look into adding it.

Any suggestions for sides? Do you run Nolva or anything while on cycle? I remember you told me to get on it when I was on my PH cycle. Huge help!

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yeah bro, have some Nolva on hand, and clomid for end of cycle, and if ya can swing it, arimadex. You can grab everything from the MC store here if you need it, i know we have a buy one get one free sale right now, and You can probably mix and match your buy 1 get 1 free instead of getting 2 of the same things, just a thought, but yes have your clomid, nolvadex and arimadex ready and on hand www.musclechemistry.com

Presser said:

yeah bro, have some Nolva on hand, and clomid for end of cycle, and if ya can swing it, arimadex. You can grab everything from the MC store here if you need it, i know we have a buy one get one free sale right now, and You can probably mix and match your buy 1 get 1 free instead of getting 2 of the same things, just a thought, but yes have your clomid, nolvadex and arimadex ready and on hand Advanced Supplements

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I bought MC PCT a while back and it was as cheap if not cheaper than the Pharm stuff and worked just as well, with no pinning, just sublingual applications....so what Presser has here is highly recommended

Bro, I would run mild compounds, like primobolan, anavar, use test prop, for lower sides, less bloat. Also deca or even better would be npp short acting DECA. I'm 34, in great health but I simply cannot run long acting test. I do not recommend tren for someone without a lot of juice exp. It is a good tool to use but sides are harsh bro. The aggression for me is to much. Do what you will bro, but my advice is run a base of test prop, find another mild anabolic that suits you, and throw in an oral, anavar or Winny, or dbol. But let me tell you Winny is irritating the hell out of my prostate right now. Dbol has less sides than Winny for me. Like they said, don't forget pct. But you are on try, so I dunno how ghats gonna affect you.

Peac and good luck

I was just reading over all this again and it got me to thinking......

I usually tell people who haven't ran any compounds to run Test by itself for a period of 10-12 weeks to know how you respond to it alone. That way you can know what sides your body will respond with while on Test alone. Then, as you add more compounds, whether they are mild or harsh, you can decipher if any sides arise whether its from Test or from whatever else. Side effects are a pain and can hinder your progress as well as effect your overall health. Treating sides correctly and quickly will keep your progress continual and keep your overall health in check. And, whether you add in a harsher compound like Tren or something mild like Anavar, there are always sides you could possibly encounter.

Now, with that said, you stated you were on TRT which is, in my opinion, running Test by itself even if it is probably a lower dose than a cycle. So, you should know how your body responds to Test on a lower dose anyway. If you experienced sides, a higher dose will just intensify the sides. This is the reason I agree with Presser on adding in a low dose of Tren Ace to your cycle. 75mg of Tren Ace EOD is mild, but very effective!! And, running Tren Ace is a short ester which will be out of your system within 3-5 days if you get sides you cant handle. Tren will build lean mass and make you stronger than you've ever been. Period.

Only difference in mine and Presser's recommendations are the Winny. I hate Winstrol. It dries out my joints so bad I hurt for months even after stopping it. I like Masteron instead. 100mg of Masteron Prop EOD is my substitution and is just my 2 cents.

Like everything else, these are only my opinions and intended for "entertainment" purposes only......

Austin

Thanks for all the great advise guys!! Austin311, I have never had any sides from my TRT. But, it I've only been cruising on 100mg a week. In regards to the joint pain you get from Winstrol, I have some joint pain already from arthritis so, maybe Mast would be a good choice for me.
Presser, I will grab the Nolva, clomid, arimadex and IGF-1 through MC!
Based on all this info, I am leaning toward:

Tren ace 75mg eod
Test Prop 200mg eod
Mast 50mg eod
MC IGF-1 50mcgs daily

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Thanks again!
Mac

gojumac said:

Thanks for all the great advise guys!! Austin311, I have never had any sides from my TRT. But, it I've only been cruising on 100mg a week. In regards to the joint pain you get from Winstrol, I have some joint pain already from arthritis so, maybe Mast would be a good choice for me.
Presser, I will grab the Nolva, clomid, arimadex and IGF-1 through MC!
Based on all this info, I am leaning toward:

Tren ace 75mg eod
Test Prop 200mg eod
Mast 50mg eod
MC IGF-1 50mcgs daily

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Thanks again!
Mac

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That looks extremely solid! A Grow Cycle for SURE!

Go to the doc and make sure your everything is good in he body HDL LDL kidney function ect. Through blood work. If everything is good do this cycle

hgh 4-8 iu day
EQ300- take 3cc shot one time a week
test enanthate 250- take 3cc shot one time per week
trenbone acetate100- 2cc shot every 2nd day
arimidex 1mg tab every day

Cycle for 8weeks

then switch to:
Hgh 4-8 iu every day
trenbolone acetate100- 2cc shot every 2nd day
masterone prop100- 1cc shot every 2nd day
testosterone propionate100- 1cc shot every 2nd day
t3-pyramid for 8 weeks. Start @75 mcg-150mcg then work backdown to 75mcg
caffiene 250 mg pre work out
Cardio 45 minutes every day.
igf1 100mcg pre and post work out.

After 8 weeks pct:
2500 iu every 3rd day
clomid 50mg every day
Adex 1mg daily.

Thats it whole 16 week cycle for you

Mrbigz, You're a fucking beast Bro!! That looks badass but, I think I'll work up to it. I will definitely keep it for a later cycle though! I appreciate your knowledge and input!!

gojumac said:

Mrbigz, You're a fucking beast Bro!! That looks badass but, I think I'll work up to it. I will definitely keep it for a later cycle though! I appreciate your knowledge and input!!

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yeah your all set with the cycle you last laid out brutha, thats a bad ass cycle and will amaze you!

Just made my MC order. Man, I'm chomping at the bit to get rolling! Watch out! This ol' bastard's gonna get to gettin' huge!!!

Lol I apologize bro. I didn't even read through your post. You were looking into a first cycle.

gojumac said:

Thanks for all the great advise guys!! Austin311, I have never had any sides from my TRT. But, it I've only been cruising on 100mg a week. In regards to the joint pain you get from Winstrol, I have some joint pain already from arthritis so, maybe Mast would be a good choice for me.
Presser, I will grab the Nolva, clomid, arimadex and IGF-1 through MC!
Based on all this info, I am leaning toward:

Tren ace 75mg eod
Test Prop 200mg eod
Mast 50mg eod
MC IGF-1 50mcgs daily

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Thanks again!
Mac

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Hell Yeah Brutha!! Looks solid as Fuck!! As long as you don't mind the constant pins, you're set. After a week to 10 days, you are going to feel like a BEAST!! That's a promise

Presser said:

yeah bro, have some Nolva on hand, and clomid for end of cycle, and if ya can swing it, arimadex. You can grab everything from the MC store here if you need it, i know we have a buy one get one free sale right now, and You can probably mix and match your buy 1 get 1 free instead of getting 2 of the same things, just a thought, but yes have your clomid, nolvadex and arimadex ready and on hand www.musclechemistry.com

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Well guys, the Eagle has landed! I started my cycle today. Presser, I picked up the Nolva, Clomid, and Arimadex as suggested. So, my next newbie question is, which or what combo of these should I be using during my cycle? I want to do everything right and make the most of the next 12 weeks. Thanks!