HMG on cycle dosage ? How much to use ?

BigSha

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I have been researchin the Internet a week and i can't still find the answer . I am going to cruise in a week on test and Ostarine + Gw1516 . I am shut down for like 12 weeks now and i want to start using HCG or HMG to prevent testicular atrophy . I can get my hands on cheap HMG , supposed to be far more superior than HCG . I want to give it a go . How to use this thing during a cycle ? I could find info only on how to use in before PCT but that's not my goal . Any info would be welcome .
 
orry i don't know much about it, i only know metal85 used it, not sure how or why he used it but maybe you could ask him
 
Why no one used it during cycle ? If i can expirement on myself to try to figure out the dose but .... I have seen the before Pct protocol and the one that HMG is used with HCG.
 
I would use the hcg at 500mcg eod until testicaks regain size, once they do drop to to 250 2 to 3 times a week the remainder of the cycle with a blast at the end.

Personally if you can get HMG cheap, that's real and not just hcg, the typical dosing is 75iu which is the standard size it comes in. You can use the 75 iu daily the entire cycle , you could use 75 HMG on the days in between hcg, or you could use it to get back to normal size which does not mean normal function. And being on cycle it's going to be. Hard to show function.

Hcg is more potent than the bodies LH signal when it's real pharmacy grade, at times I've had to dose 1000-3000.mcg e3d if I was really atrophied.

hmg is a great option because of the FSSH signaling as well. But standard dosing is the entire 75iu bottle/vial. The dosing regime you choose is up to you based on need, response, and affordability. Because I would also add in an hcg/HMG blast for 14 days prior to starting serm therapy. But with hcg, it's been recommended that over 300 iu provides no benefits, this statement coming from a well respected HRT Dr. I personally have had to use much more to basically Kick start the whole system. GnRh signals the pituitary to release LH and FSH as needed. Which becomes inactive during hormone use. These in turn will promote the release of some others sex horned as well as sort of an overall response to the actions of the synthetic signaling.

If you plan to use HMG alone, I've seen guys use HMG as a mid cycle blast to help restore what's been shut down for a period of one to two weeks at 75iu a day. To me you are getting your body to believe it's functioning again only to have it rapidly come to a halt after stopping use.

I personally would decide on HMG a minimum of 3 times a week the durations the cycle at 75 iu at least 3 days per week. You can decide if you want to add in hcg on alternating days which they can be taken together but personal opinion is it would be a waste to use at the same time during the cycle. Keep in mind that hcg, and I'm not sure on HMG because I haven' checked on it in some time, will cause dose dependent estrogen from the gonads that is unaffected by the use of an AI. This will vary from person to person as well. Buy HMG is a great tool and umm happy to see guys on this board discussing the use of HMG and simply knowing what it is. For years I've been promoting the use of it and I'm guessing price was a factor of why a lot of guys never really looked into it.

If you are looking to end your cycle soon you could use HMG daily or how ever often your wallet permits, eod is fine as well. Then you look at the two pre serm usage. Most often the biggest mistake guys make going into a pct is starting and ending too soon will ruin the pct and many times cause an estrogen rebound leaving you with a estrogen dominance again. Two weeks after an ester like enanthate is not going to be low enough after14 days. But if you either switch to a short ester the final 4 weeks or take 7 days off after your last E inject, then blast hcg at 500 mcg or HMG at 75 iu daily for the14 days after you week break , then another 3 days after the synthetic LH or FSH signals,you will still have an elevated T serum but depending on your body and the amount of aromatase enzymes you have, you will need to manage estro during this time as well. Each time T increases, your body responds by producing estro.

But ur this provides ample time for the TE type ester to clear enough to start your serm and I would run an AI and if it's adex I would cut the dose in half after the second week and finish at the lower dose. This is a great time to run ostarine as well, the dosage on that is still a controversy on what dose will cause some HPTA shut down, and if it does so at all. But IGF-Lr3 is a great tool to add to your post cycle as well as Gh or Gh peptides all of which are going to make for a much smoother transition of coming off the hormone , while maintaining a T dominant environment with growth factors as well.

I typically say say run torem 5 weeks but the use of serms itself can be a risk of causing a blood clot. Nattokineses and serrapeptase are know to destroy blood clots with out effecting normal clotting, they simply begin to dissolve a clot if you have one.


Sorry for for all that. The simple answer to the dose of HMG is 75iu. Daily use on a cycle can be beneficial, but I don't know that it's necessary. And I have not ever read anything saying a higher dose is better or will have any effect.
 
I found this article on other forum where everything is baby easy explained . Appear that an optimal dosae of HMG on cycle is : Best Method

-HCG 250-500iu e5d while on, 1000iu e3d last 3 weeks
-HMG 25iu e5d while on continued through last 3 weeks (not as critical to shotgun going into PCT




HCG/HMG and LH/FSH explained
by Jay

First off there seems to be some confusion in regards to the difference between the aforementioned compounds and their effects on the two mentioned parameters.

Let's first go over the two Hormones:

LH

Luteinizing hormone is responsible for the trigger of testosterone release in the body. Basically, LH which is secreted in the Testes triggers the body to produce Testosterone. Once this is done the hypothalmus picks up on it in a negative feed back process (inhibition of GnRH). Thus, LH "checks" itself.

What does this mean?

Well, LH is a fine balance. Not enough, and your body doesn't produce Test. Too much, same effect. Now introduce synthetic Testosterone into the loop and what do we have? A break in the cycle. Boom...body stops producing LH.

Now wait a minute. If we're on cycle why would we want to tell the body produce LH when it doesn't need to? People think your testicles shrink due to lowered Test production. No no no. This is DIRECTLY linked to LH and FSH depletion. Test is NOT made in the testes. LH is made in the Testes which SIGNALS the body to make Test. Well if there's excess Test introduced why do we need LH? Are you guys seeing the link yet?

Excess test = no need for LH = shutdown of LH = Testicle shrinkage

So what are we aiming for? Well we're aiming for just enough LH production to keep the loop working, BUT not too much where the body downgrades receptors because it's gone haywire.

Now here's something REALLY interesting for you Tren/Deca users. Progesterone/Prolactin DIRECTLY inhibit the production of LH which = shutdown of Test production. This is why I ALWAYS preach the use of Cabergoline or Pramipexole during the cycle and even sometimes into PCT. In fact, LH is the primary fertility driver in women. Synthetic progesterone and estrogen is the contraceptive used to deplete LH. Interesting right? So Progesterone/Prolactin and Estrogen both have a negative effect on LH as well.

FSH

Follicle Stimulating Hormone is the lesser known Testicular hormone in Men. This is hormone responsible to Testicular Sperm Production. More often than not, this is the hormone responsible for infertility in men. There's three things needed for Spermatogenesis:

LH (to secrete Testosterone)
So basically Testosterone as well
FSH

LH secretes Testosterone -> Testosterone is needed to bind to the protein produced by -> FSH

It's been directly correlated that HIGH levels of Testosterone deplete FSH.

So now knowing that LH is linked to Testosterone production and FSH is linked to sperm production let's move forward to the hormones

HCG

- Effects LH (not FSH)
- Direct link to Testosterone secretion

First off, HCG should NEVER be used off-cycle by Men. Why? Well it triggers the release of LH which will temporarily signal the release of Test. Beautiful thing right? Wrong. This also triggers the release of Estrogen. Both will cancel each other out, the body will see it has a higher than normal concentration of LH and further shut down LH production.

The best use? Small doses while on. Simply put: Don't let the horse get out of the bar. 250-500iu e5d while on is the best course of action. With increased androgens in the body, it will make the body "think" the loop has never been broken.

High test -> high LH -> body thinks everything is Kosher

A "shotgun" (1000iu e3d) the last 3 weeks of the cycle will help prep the testes going into PCT where the SERM's bind to estrogen enough to get the body back into the normal groove

HMG

- Effects FSH (not LH)
- Direct link to sperm cell maturation

Ok...now with this compound. There's two uses:

1) Keeping FSH production in check while on cycle. For this, small doses similar to HCG while on cycle are effective for never letting HMG drop below acceptable levels (25iu e5d)

2) Spot fertility treatment. Yes, this can be used in the same way HCG (LH secretion) stimulates ovulation in females. (75iu one injection during time you are trying to conceive)


Best Method

-HCG 250-500iu e5d while on, 1000iu e3d last 3 weeks
-HMG 25iu e5d while on continued through last 3 weeks (not as critical to shotgun going into PCT

References:

Hormones of the Reproductive System

Luteinizing and Follicle Stimulating Hormones

Follicle-Stimulating Hormone Abnormalities: eMedicine Endocrinology
 
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My reading shows a ton of different ways to use HMG. I'd opt to try 25IUs E5D along w/ 250IUs of HCG then (1) and only (1) 100mcg shot off Triptorelin a few days b4 PCT (optional to use Trip I WILL use it my coming cycle and report back)
 
My reading shows a ton of different ways to use HMG. I'd opt to try 25IUs E5D along w/ 250IUs of HCG then (1) and only (1) 100mcg shot off Triptorelin a few days b4 PCT (optional to use Trip I WILL use it my coming cycle and report back)

Triptorelin ? This is a new drug for me , i guess i will google it and try to find some info about it . Which is the beter way to go : HMG or HCG during cycle ? I definetely guess that if a person could afford it is HMG . I am gettin 10 vials of HCG fr the price of 6 HMG that would be enoug for a cycle or two max . With the 10 HCG bottle i can cycle forever .
 
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