Iron Game

Veteran
Q: “What can I do with my anabolic steroid cycle planning to help protect my liver?”

A: First, liver harm from anabolic steroids comes principally or entirely from alkylated anabolic steroids. Where the steroids are non-alkylated and estradiol levels remain normal, there’s almost never harm to the liver from steroid use. (A handful of apparent cases exist in the medical literature, so I don’t rule out that it could occur in very rare cases.)

Example non-alkylated steroids are testosterone, Masteron, trenbolone, boldenone (Equipoise), nandrolone (Deca Durabolin), and Primobolan.

Keeping liver safety in mind, an effective cycle should have one or more of these steroids as the base, or even as the entirety of the cycle.

About 350-700 mg/week of a steroid stack, though, may be an alkylated compound. The most common alkylated steroids are Dianabol, Anadrol, oxandrolone (Anavar), and Winstrol.

Alkylated steroid use is preferably limited to only six weeks at a time, though of course many who go longer don’t suffer lasting harm. However, sustained use of oral anabolic steroids absolutely can cause undetected formation of scar tissue in the liver. This effect can be cumulative, as the scar tissue does not heal. And thoroughly excellent gains can be achieved without “pushing” the 6-week rule.

If cycle length is greater than 6 weeks, then appropriate amounts of testosterone can substitute for the orals. I replace Anadrol or Winstrol with testosterone on a milligram for milligram basis. I replace Dianabol on a three-to-two basis, or in other words, 50 mg/day Dianabol is replaced by about 75 mg/day of testosterone.

Oxandrolone, on the other hand, is replaced with Masteron on a three-to-two basis, or trenbolone on a two-to-three basis.

Each period of alkylated steroid use should be followed by about twice as much time not using alkylated steroids, or longer.

Estradiol preferably will be kept in the normal range, or not much above it, as elevated estradiol is slightly liver toxic. In and of itself estradiol toxicity is not greatly important, but in combination with alkylated steroid use, it adds to the toxicity.

Obviously hepatotoxic drugs and excessive alcohol use should be avoided, as should heavy use of NSAID’s, aspirin, or acetaminophen. Cautious use is fine.

In terms of supplementation for liver health, lecithin may be taken in amounts such as 3-7 g/day together with B vitamins. With regard to milk thistle, steroid-induced cholestasis results from reduced activity of the bile salt export pump, and silymarin and silibinin (components of milk thistle) act at this point and can partially block the adverse effects of steroids. However, cheap milk thistle products don’t provide much of these substances. As for liver antioxidants, the problem does not seem to be one of oxidation and I don’t think they make a difference.

Liver protection supplementation may safely be omitted when the above principles are followed. Supplementation shouldn’t be a license to use alkylated steroids less carefully. I would treat supplementation only as a backup.
 
Great thread Iron-game! I've been using milk thistle & B12 supplements for years with great results. IMHO, high quality milk thistle should be a part of everyone's supplement regimen while on cycle.
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I don't recall seeing any scientific study that showed any of those herbs mentioned or any others that were effective in protecting the liver from toxic substances.
 
I don't recall seeing any scientific study that showed any of those herbs mentioned or any others that were effective in protecting the liver from toxic substances.

If you do your research, you will find that all the substances I call out are helpful. Will I do the work and provided the studies.........nope.............you do the research and you will soon relized I know what I am talking about. Or you can think I am full of shit.. no harm no foul.. I really don't care just trying to help.
 
Milk Thistle

If you do your research, you will find that all the substances I call out are helpful. Will I do the work and provided the studies.........nope.............you do the research and you will soon relized I know what I am talking about. Or you can think I am full of shit.. no harm no foul.. I really don't care just trying to help.

Ok, I did some research. I used the Dogpile search engine and first one was Web MD. They say; Milk Thistle(silymarin) is a flowering herb related to the daisy and ragweed family. It is native to Mediterranean countries. Milk thistle is sometime used as a natural treatment for liver problems.
Silymarin is the main active ingredient in milk thistle. Silymarin is both an anti-inflammatory and antioxidant. It is unclear what benefits, if any, this may have in the body. There is not enough scientific data to say whether or not milk thistle can help liver problems.

Next was an article by Ray Sahelian, MD. He says silymarin is a powerful antioxidant and said to protect liver cells. Silymarin apparently promotes liver cell synthesis. Silymarin may potentially be beneficial in a number of diseases involving liver disease.
He also says it may cure breast, colon, prostate and skin cancer. He appears to be a herb guru and is involved in selling milk thistle through a link on the page.

Next was Wikipedia where I was re-directed to Silibinin, the major active constituent of silymarin. They say the poor water solubility and bioavailability of silymarin has led to the development of enhanced formulations. Silipide, a complex of silymarin and lecithin, is about 10 times more bioavailable than silymarin. There is some clinical evidence for the use of silibinin as a supportive element in alcoholic and child grade "A" liver cirrhosis. There is no mention of protection from other toxins like oral anabolics.

I have seen discussions on this site and other BB sites going back 7 or 8 years and never recall seeing any scientific studies presented that shows that these herbs protect the liver from oral anabolic use.
 
Ok, I did some research. I used the Dogpile search engine and first one was Web MD. They say; Milk Thistle(silymarin) is a flowering herb related to the daisy and ragweed family. It is native to Mediterranean countries. Milk thistle is sometime used as a natural treatment for liver problems.
Silymarin is the main active ingredient in milk thistle. Silymarin is both an anti-inflammatory and antioxidant. It is unclear what benefits, if any, this may have in the body. There is not enough scientific data to say whether or not milk thistle can help liver problems.

Next was an article by Ray Sahelian, MD. He says silymarin is a powerful antioxidant and said to protect liver cells. Silymarin apparently promotes liver cell synthesis. Silymarin may potentially be beneficial in a number of diseases involving liver disease.
He also says it may cure breast, colon, prostate and skin cancer. He appears to be a herb guru and is involved in selling milk thistle through a link on the page.

Next was Wikipedia where I was re-directed to Silibinin, the major active constituent of silymarin. They say the poor water solubility and bioavailability of silymarin has led to the development of enhanced formulations. Silipide, a complex of silymarin and lecithin, is about 10 times more bioavailable than silymarin. There is some clinical evidence for the use of silibinin as a supportive element in alcoholic and child grade "A" liver cirrhosis. There is no mention of protection from other toxins like oral anabolics.

I have seen discussions on this site and other BB sites going back 7 or 8 years and never recall seeing any scientific studies presented that shows that these herbs protect the liver from oral anabolic use.
Sorry, I wasn't too clear, and probably a little grouchy when I posted. The products that I called out where tudca, udca and NAC and they have studies showing how benifical they are to the liver.

To find a study that shows a direct link between them and anabolic maybe a tough one to find (who would pay for this kind of study, and who ethically would give someone something toxic to see if another substance helps keep the toxic component at bay). If you do enough research on Tudca, Udca and NAC you will see that they give your liver great help and protection from liver damaging compounds.................Then we have to take the leap that they protect us from anabolics.
 
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