Anabolic Cycle Mistakes

drtbear1967

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<header class="entry-header">[h=1]The Most Common Mistakes Seen in Anabolic Steroid Cycles[/h]</header>Q: “What compounds are usually or always mistakes to include in a cycle? Or are common mistakes in some instances, but useful in others.”



A: Proviron is never useful during a cycle. The closest it could be to being useful is for slight anti-estrogenic effect, but there are better ways to do this. I would call Proviron a pure waste of money during a cycle.


It also certainly does not aid PCT and may hinder it. However, it can have some use a prosexual agent during that time, but I’d avoid using it continually.
I’m not a fan of Propecia/Proscar (finasteride) or Avodart (dutasteride) use during a cycle. Some hope that it will reduce progression of male pattern baldness, but a simpler approach is to not use testosterone, as the only positive effect of finasteride is to inhibit potentiation (increase in potency) of testosterone in the scalp by largely blocking conversion to DHT. Other anabolic steroids generally do not undergo such potentiation. It’s both true that finasteride is useless with them, and that they are no harder on the hair than the testosterone/finasteride combination.


I’m an agnostic on the finasteride and dutasteride horror stories; I don’t know if there really is the risk of long term libido impairment that some claim, but I also don’t know that it could not be true. But in any case, I don’t find a reason to recommend finasteride or dutasteroid use in steroid cycles.
I recommend against all but low dose Deca use, because other anabolic steroids will give as good or better anabolic results without the mood-depressive and recovery-impairing effects which so often result from such use of Deca. Where joint benefit from Deca use exists – this is not the case for all steroid users by any means – the benefit can be fully obtained from amounts such as 75-100 mg/week.


There really isn’t a point to adding any of the prohormone/prosteroid products to an anabolic steroid cycle: just use appropriate amounts of the anabolic steroids.
The same is true for SARMs.


An anti-prolactin (cabergoline, bromocriptine) is rarely if ever necessary during an anabolic steroid cycle if estradiol is kept under control with an anti-aromatase. In no personal consultation did I ever find a reason to include one, and never did a reason come up why I even possibly should have done so. Their inclusion is generally a waste, at least if estrogen is properly controlled.
Another example of a practice which is at best wasteful is combining a SERM with an antiaromatase.
So all of these things, I’d generally avoid doing.
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Man I know guys who love proviron ! Never bothered with it myself
 
I noticed a pretty substantial difference while running bayer proviron with a gram of test. It kept me dryer and just generally looking better. I feel like it made the test work better as well. Pharm grade proviron's pretty expensive and I had to take a pretty hefty dose to get really good results, though. I may or may not try it again, but I don't think it's worthless. Seems a lot of bodybuilders use it while prepping for shows.
 
There was an older thread titled, "Always add proviron to your cycle". I'm not taking one position or the other, just saying it's funny to see such strong recommendations on total opposite positions.

Personally, I have tried proviron and couldn't tell any difference between taking it and not taking it. I concluded it was bunk, but don't really know....
 
Proviron has worked and does work by allowing more testosterone to get to androgen receptors. It does this by binding and blocking sbhg. The longer on a cycle sbhg increases to stop the excessive hormones in our bodies that is reason our gains come to a halt. Then we have to up roid dose, stop cycle or throw something else in to free more testosterone and what not by binding to sbhg. This only works for so long because myostatin also builds up. So staying on too long just prevents recovery gains will come to hault enough to not be worth it. My 2 cents.

I agree with anti prolactin being useless. Prolactin needs estro to be harmful. I never used and never needed anti P.
Control estro and prolactin will not be heard from at least in way of sides maybe so ed but no moobs!

Never had mood disorders or depression from deca or coming off. Deca calms me down and keeps me that way after tiredness nothing. Just very suppressive. Being on trt I have no sides from coming off anything ever! Lol!
 
Man I know guys who love proviron ! Never bothered with it myself

I lover it! All dht compounds harden me increase sex drive and aggression only thing is they cause acne for me and hair grows really fast have to shave more also finger nails and toe nails grow faster than normal. I can add dht compounds and get tren test results with no tren sides or tren
 
so what if my e2 level is very low and prolactin level is very high ??

and about prov i used if long time ago with tamo when i felt that my nipples start to grow :D
 
I like proviron it evens me out when im running a lot of test and dont get mood swings only use hg the ugl stuff is bullshit the bayer is expensive but worth it cheeper than bail money
 
I completely disagree with your statement about Prolactin and cabaser.

I use letro, and I know my estrogen is kept within limits through blood tests with my endo. HOwever, wen I use tren, I always feel when my prolactin is getting out of control. My left nipple gets crazy sensitive, and this is the only time it happens. If i then use some cabaser, it goes away completely.

Your mentality that all people have the same hormone balance and receptiveness is naive. Hormones vary from one individual to another. Some people are much more sensitive to specific hormones, even within their own body.

So, to say that everyone who uses x,y,z is making a huge mistake is also quite indicative of your own need to gain some more knowledge on the endocrine system.


/.02


btw, i'm sure OP didn't write this thing. So my response is more to the author of the excerpt. haha.
 
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Progestins need aromatasing estro to open up pathway to increase prolactin.
Estrogen enhances growth of prolactin-producing cells, stimulates prolactin production directly, and suppresses production of dopamine.
High prolactin can lower testosterone in men and low prolactin can also cause erectile dysfunction in men. Prolactin needs balance as well as estro. Dopamine as well as serotonin levels also can be a factor in some people.
High blood prolactin still needs estro in men to create these cells to grow in breast tissue.

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With what I posted above which were from studies I cannot vouch for everyone as cloudstrife mentioned and neither can a study. Some of us can react different to things and out body metabolizes it all different and counters different. I also read the stress and cortisol increase prolactin as well as pituitary tumors and malfunction.
But even more important if any existing gyno is already there that estrogen feed tissue has already started meaning it can be feed by prolactin or estro. Estro needs to be then brought low enough to starve it or it needs to be removed. Are stay away from compounds that either aromatase or progestins which ever aggrevate it.
My brother had to cut both sides out.
 
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