Thread: Testosterone Suspension and Testosterone Base. Testosterone No Ester

Testosterone is the undisputed king of steroids mainly because it is safe, elicits rapid mass and strength gains while maintaining libido, a sense of well being and energy. It’s not uncommon for a first time user to gain 15-20lbs of LBM in a standard Testosterone cycle. Pure Testosterone comes in a water based aqueous form (Suspension) and also in a solvent/oil based form (Test Base).
Suspensions have tiny particles that are visible with the naked eye. If left on the shelf for a few days many times the particles will sink to the bottom leaving the clear solvents and water on the top. Depending on the manufacturer, particle sizes vary meaning some Suspension preparations can clog a 22 gauge needle. Ultra micronized Suspension can pass through a 25 gauge needle making injections more comfortable. Shake the suspension preparation vigorously before injecting.
Testosterone suspension is the most potent form of testosterone because it does not possess an ester. Esters are calculated into the steroid weight therefore esterfied steroids are not a true mg for mg of free hormone. 100mg of suspension is 100mg of free hormone! Enanthate in a solution is only 72mg of free hormone per 100mg. You can see that Suspension is the true king steroid. However because there is no ester many users will inject suspension everyday or even multiple times per day. This is usually reason enough for most people to reject using suspension but it gets worse. Usually suspension is quite painful as well. Combine every day injections with significant pain and most users simply pass on trying suspension at all. Some new science now demonstrates that everyday and even every other day injections are not necessary with Testosterone Suspension.
What is the real half life of Testosterone Suspension?
There is no classic half life of aqueous Testosterone Suspension due to the nature of the various suspension particle sizes and the non existence of an ester. In other words we don’t see the same types of decay rates with blood androgen levels in non esterfied preparations that are seen in esterfied preparations. However in March of 2011 there was a pharmacokinetics study done in horses that reported a median terminal half-life of 39 hours with aqueous Testosterone Suspension.(1) The disposition of testosterone from this formulation was characterized by an initial, rapid absorption phase followed by a much more variable secondary absorption phase. There were at least two plasma testosterone concentration peaks. The first peak is almost immediate and the second peak is a whopping 7 days later on average according to the chart in the full study. The study indicates that the initial peak is from the Testosterone formulation solution and the following peak(s) from the solid material in the suspension.

Basically the solution almost immediately hits the blood stream when injected and then a few days later the solid particles are slowly absorbed by the body causing other peaks in testosterone blood androgen levels.
So how often should you administer Suspension?
Based on this science, injecting Suspension every other day or even every three days will maintain high blood androgen levels. The king of steroids has had a time release delay built into it all along and we have the data to prove it. 100mg every other day would be a good starting dose for newer male users. More advanced male users could easily double that dose for very rapid and pronounced LBM gains. Suspension is moderately estrogenic and that effect will be dose dependant. The more you administer the more likely aromatase activity will occur. I would use Nolvadex to lower estrogenic side effects or an aromatase inhibitor.
Sample 8 week Suspension cycle
Monday 150mg Suspension/20mg Nolvadex
Tuesday 20mg Nolvadex
Wednesday 150mg Suspension/20mg Nolvadex
Thursday 20mg Nolvadex
Friday 150mg Suspension/20mg Nolvadex
Saturday 20mg Nolvadex
Sunday 20mg Nolvadex
Nolvadex is used to keep lipids positively influenced for those concerned with cardiovascular health. I have opted for an injection schedule of only three times per week to allow for comfort and because a more frequent schedule is not needed.
This cycle should produce rapid increases in strength and mass. I would use this cycle during a bulking phase. A more adventuresome user could stack a strong oral like Dianabol or Anadrol with the above cycle at 50mg daily producing an amazing and rapid increase in size and strength if nutrition, training and recovery are dialed in.
Testosterone Base~Oil/Solvent Based
Testosterone Base is 100% pure testosterone similar to aqueous Testosterone Suspension however Test Base is technically a solution not a suspension. Test Base contains no visible Testosterone crystals because they are in an oil and solvent solution NOT water. There are no crystals to slowly absorb into the injection site. Therefore when you inject Test Base there is a very rapid increase in blood Testosterone levels that falls off faster than standard aqueous Testosterone suspension. Test Base packs a big instant wallop when injected and is arguably the fastest Testosterone product available today. Another advantage of Test Base is you may use very small gauge needles to inject it. There are no crystals in Test Base to clog the needle so administering with an insulin syringe is an option. Test Base is ideal pre training or for power lifting or strength sports. I recommend Test Base to be administered two hours pre-training to provide increased aggression and power

Cool read.

Good post!

very nice article

Moving to articles section

Excellent thank you...,.. Makes we wanna use it for a cycle

That was awesome info on Test suspension. Is Test Suspension the same thing as Test no ester? Or TNE. From my reading TNE is water based and very easy to inject. Also I read you have to double up on your AI with Suspension is this true?

Double up on your A/I when using it, it converts to estrogen VERY quick. If you use 25mg aromasin ED make it 25mg twice a day once in the AM and once in the PM.

Also one quick question if you were ending a cycle on Test Suspension say to conclude a Test E cycle would you start the PCT 39 hours after your last pin or 7 days after the particles absorb into your body? THanks

not sure what what u mean by particles, but i would start my pct right after the cycle bro, and with Suspension i would probably take Nolvadex or an AI during the cycle as well.

And to your question above this last one yes TNE is water based or can be made in oil base.

From the original post I gathered that there are 2 peaks one from the pure liquid that peaks after 39 hours then seven days later there is another peak from the solid material in the suspension. You are supposed to start your pct after the shits out of your system so this complicates things a little.

However in March of 2011 there was a pharmacokinetics study done in horses that reported a median terminal half-life of 39 hours with aqueous Testosterone Suspension.(1) The disposition of testosterone from this formulation was characterized by an initial, rapid absorption phase followed by a much more variable secondary absorption phase. There were at least two plasma testosterone concentration peaks. The first peak is almost immediate and the second peak is a whopping 7 days later on average according to the chart in the full study. The study indicates that the initial peak is from the Testosterone formulation solution and the following peak(s) from the solid material in the suspension.

Test Suspension was my very first cycle way back there at age 25.....WOW!!! I went from 125 to 155 really damn quick!! Max on bench was 315 and I weighed 155!!! I kept every lb...

I used TNE (oil based) for the first time 2 years ago. At my age it is awesome, I love the smell of TNE in the morning..

can winny suspension be created with just the raw mixed with bac water for inn?

Originally Posted by Ruger762

can winny suspension be created with just the raw mixed with bac water for inn?

pretty sure it can, but if your making it with raw powder, then i know most guys are using oil instead of water solution.

Yea due to an upcoming comp I would need it held in suspension and pin ed

why would an upcoming competition make a difference whether you use it suspended in oil or water

Faster delivery

And exit

Originally Posted by Ruger762

Faster delivery

TNE AND STANOZOLOL in oil doesn't slow it down bro! its in and out of you just as fast!!! The oil doesn't change anything,THE ESTER IS THE ESTER BRO. especially GSO as the carrier. We have quite a few articles and posts here on this and its basically the same with the oil being a FRACTION of a FRACTION of a TINY bit longer, and 1000 fractions less painful, so thats why i suggest in oil over water. ESPECIALLY FOR PRE-CONTEST, AS THEIRS LESS CHANCE OF INFECTION, SWELLING, ABSCESS AND AS I SAID PAIN WHICH MAKES TNE AND STANOZOLOL IN OIL A PREFRENCE FOR PRECONTEST, NOT TO MENTION WATER BASE CARRIES BACTERIA MORE, WHICH IS WHY MOST ABSCESSES AND INFECTIONS OCCUR WHEN USING WATER BASED PRODUCTS.

JUST SAYING

Oh and I've used TNE and Winstrol in oil as well as water based, and i can tell you it hits you the same way with the same timing and much easier to work with.

Originally Posted by Ruger762

Yea due to an upcoming comp I would need it held in suspension and pin ed

What kind of competition bro? Just curious what show you were doing if your speaking about Bodybuilding Comp

Originally Posted by Presser

Oh and I've used TNE and Winstrol in oil as well as water based, and i can tell you it hits you the same way with the same timing and much easier to work with.

oil base > water base for sure!

Originally Posted by Buffalo

oil base > water base for sure!

yup! any day of the week, hands down!

Originally Posted by Presser

What kind of competition bro? Just curious what show you were doing if your speaking about Bodybuilding Comp

The Atlanta if I'm in prime conditioning, one of my clients might be doing it as well but I've spent more time on getting him ready and he's looking better than me and twice my age haha

Originally Posted by Ruger762

The Atlanta if I'm in prime conditioning, one of my clients might be doing it as well but I've spent more time on getting him ready and he's looking better than me and twice my age haha

very cool daddio! Either way take some pics for MuscleChemistry to post of the show!

Most definitely!

Originally Posted by Ruger762

Most definitely!

cool thnx daddio!

Here's a before and after with a client I have been prepping for his show. I obviously cropped out his head for a reason but if any one is skeptical I can send admin originals to confirm. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1393458639.864692.jpg

He's also 50 years young

Originally Posted by Presser

cool thnx daddio!

He'll be doing the Atlanta

Originally Posted by Ruger762

Here's a before and after with a client I have been prepping for his show. I obviously cropped out his head for a reason but if any one is skeptical I can send admin originals to confirm. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1393458639.864692.jpg

He's also 50 years young

Damn brutha! Now thats what I call hard work and dedication! Good job, how long you been training people?

Originally Posted by Presser

Damn brutha! Now thats what I call hard work and dedication! Good job, how long you been training people?

Thanks Brotha I really appreciate it. Been training clients for about 10 years now and love it! He is by far the most dedicated person in know. Works 60hr weeks, has a family, yet still hits it hard in the gym and keeps diet spot on!

Originally Posted by Ruger762

Thanks Brotha I really appreciate it. Been training clients for about 10 years now and love it! He is by far the most dedicated person in know. Works 60hr weeks, has a family, yet still hits it hard in the gym and keeps diet spot on!

no kidding , thats quite a work load. How long did that transformation take him if u don't my asking,

I would say a solid 2 years possibly 3 considering I prettied him for his lastvahow

Prepped** haha

Originally Posted by Presser

no kidding , thats quite a work load. How long did that transformation take him if u don't my asking,

Stays in that shape now about year round with just a slight addition of bodyfat while adding size. I feel like I kinda high jacked this thread though so feel free to move it where you see fit

great testosterone suspension cycle dosage information.

bumping testosterone suspension and no ester information

While searching for info on test base I find a great article posted up by nuknuk

I have used testosterone suspension about 10 years ago. Had RWR on it. Didn't remember exactly this but on Google photos it's on there and can never forget it. It was vet and mine had an address to vets office in Australia. It was potent 100 mg per ml. Thick would harden up and stop up needle fast had to shake it hurry draw it heat it in barrel and pin it fast or it would stop up. I even had added some sterilized filtered solution solvent to mine don't remember what but it help. Had like 6 bottles blew me up in a first week only did for 3 weeks discontinued due to huge increase in size in traps, arms, shoulder, and chest looked like they were blown up with a pump 24/7. Flex muscle and no change or not much. Did 100 mg eod, with 200 cypionate a week, next time I used as kick start with A Nandrolone mixture(dynabol). Yes 20 years ago I used to all kinds of stuff but around 10 years ago didn't see but UGL stuff. Alot of vet stuff and good with no usual sides not even acne.
Back to thread I dosed it at 100 eod used it twice for like 3 weeks ended up trading other 3-1/2 bottles I had left over. Was also told guy I traded with added a solution solvent to it too and this solved hardening up issue and changed it to around 50 per ml. He was an ugl brewer he knew what I do with it. He lIked it alot more than me. I prefer slower gains and only fast ones from dry compounds. It did hurt bad. Only can tolerate in delts I have noticed for me winny in water and test in water is untolerable in deeper muscles like glute don't know why always only can do these in delts.

Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic

I have used testosterone suspension about 10 years ago. Had RWR on it. Didn't remember exactly this but on Google photos it's on there and can never forget it. It was vet and mine had an address to vets office in Australia. It was potent 100 mg per ml. Thick would harden up and stop up needle fast had to shake it hurry draw it heat it in barrel and pin it fast or it would stop up. I even had added some sterilized filtered solution solvent to mine don't remember what but it help. Had like 6 bottles blew me up in a first week only did for 3 weeks discontinued due to huge increase in size in traps, arms, shoulder, and chest looked like they were blown up with a pump 24/7. Flex muscle and no change or not much. Did 100 mg eod, with 200 cypionate a week, next time I used as kick start with A Nandrolone mixture(dynabol). Yes 20 years ago I used to all kinds of stuff but around 10 years ago didn't see but UGL stuff. Alot of vet stuff and good with no usual sides not even acne.
Back to thread I dosed it at 100 eod used it twice for like 3 weeks ended up trading other 3-1/2 bottles I had left over. Was also told guy I traded with added a solution solvent to it too and this solved hardening up issue and changed it to around 50 per ml. He was an ugl brewer he knew what I do with it. He lIked it alot more than me. I prefer slower gains and only fast ones from dry compounds. It did hurt bad. Only can tolerate in delts I have noticed for me winny in water and test in water is untolerable in deeper muscles like glute don't know why always only can do these in delts.

I never could get the water testosterone suspension correct in terms of having a smooth injection, as u said, stopped up the needle and would have to pull it back out of my ass, and try unclogging it, and lose half of the gear on bathroom ceiling lol, fucking sucked

Originally Posted by Presser

I never could get the water testosterone suspension correct in terms of having a smooth injection, as u said, stopped up the needle and would have to pull it back out of my ass, and try unclogging it, and lose half of the gear on bathroom ceiling lol, fucking sucked

Used to get it@ 50 mg. in the 80s
never had a problem winstol susp. same concentration then
legit shit was everywhere.It was rare to see a fake!! I really miss the good old days, we thought it would last forever!

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Originally Posted by crete1871

Used to get it@ 50 mg. in the 80s
never had a problem winstol susp. same concentration then
legit shit was everywhere.It was rare to see a fake!! I really miss the good old days, we thought it would last forever!

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Yeah so ive heard but I missed the 80's and didn't even try my first hormone until 97-98 lol and I thought things were good then lol

Half-life of test base is very short. How often did you guys inject? Is it possible to inject with slin-pins?
Thinking of doing a 6-8w cycle with this, would be awesome if I could get away with injecting EOD and keep levels stable.

so i can make base or suspension in oil? i don't remember if it was base in the mix i took, so i don't think i've tried either one.

so any know the percents to use of ba and bb, or have a recipe? thanks.

Originally Posted by pgb

so i can make base or suspension in oil? i don't remember if it was base in the mix i took, so i don't think i've tried either one.

so any know the percents to use of ba and bb, or have a recipe? thanks.

Yeah it gets dissolved in oil and I can imagine it will hurt less to inject than water based. Here is a recipe I found (don't know if the math is correct though):
This is 100mg/ml (50ml).
5 grams Test No Ester powder
2.5 ml BA
15 ml BB
5 ml Guaiacol
24 ml EO

I don't like EO and I don't recommend people using this. Gonna try to make 75mg/ml with 2% BA and 20% BB in MCT-oil. It will most likely crash

Originally Posted by thx

Yeah it gets dissolved in oil and I can imagine it will hurt less to inject than water based. Here is a recipe I found (don't know if the math is correct though):
This is 100mg/ml (50ml).
5 grams Test No Ester powder
2.5 ml BA
15 ml BB
5 ml Guaiacol
24 ml EO

I don't like EO and I don't recommend people using this. Gonna try to make 75mg/ml with 2% BA and 20% BB in MCT-oil. It will most likely crash

so you're talking about doing tne in oil? that ba percent is more than 4%, and that bb is nearly double. i've only use gso with bb and ba. i'm sure i've used oils i gotten with other types of oil.
so let me know how that holds at 2% ba and 20% bb. i tried 3% ba and it gave me a pretty good pip. i tried to make npp at 150 mg/ml and it crashed as well.
i'd rather not use more than 2% ba if i can help it.

Originally Posted by pgb

so you're talking about doing tne in oil? that ba percent is more than 4%, and that bb is nearly double. i've only use gso with bb and ba. i'm sure i've used oils i gotten with other types of oil.
so let me know how that holds at 2% ba and 20% bb. i tried 3% ba and it gave me a pretty good pip. i tried to make npp at 150 mg/ml and it crashed as well.
i'd rather not use more than 2% ba if i can help it.

Just copy/pasted the recipe.
I never recommend using water as carrier. Also, if water is used, the powder won't fully dissolve. Seen studies that showed that some peaks happen long after you the shot and it's probably because some crystals took more time to get absorbed.
2%BA is good bro, no need to use more than that.
Don't know if this is right but if 100mg/ml test prop dissolved in 2%BA and 15%BB in GSO is painfree and does not crash.
Then 75mg/ml 2%BA and 20%BB in MCT should hold just fine. 100mg test prop = 80mg of pure test.

Originally Posted by thx

Just copy/pasted the recipe.
I never recommend using water as carrier. Also, if water is used, the powder won't fully dissolve. Seen studies that showed that some peaks happen long after you the shot and it's probably because some crystals took more time to get absorbed.
2%BA is good bro, no need to use more than that.
Don't know if this is right but if 100mg/ml test prop dissolved in 2%BA and 15%BB in GSO is painfree and does not crash.
Then 75mg/ml 2%BA and 20%BB in MCT should hold just fine. 100mg test prop = 80mg of pure test.

yeah, i've got test p here i did with 2% ba, 18% bb, and gso. no pip. i don't always remember to amount of actual test with an ester attached, but do know it's less than the total. so i know if i make sus 250, i'm getting less than 250 mg of actual test.
just need to remember, if and when i get some tne, make it at 75 mg/ml. haven't used water for anything except bac h2o for hgh.
i'll be trying out some mc igf here soon, so i spent my allowance already. tne will have to wait, lol.

Originally Posted by pgb

so i can make base or suspension in oil? i don't remember if it was base in the mix i took, so i don't think i've tried either one.

so any know the percents to use of ba and bb, or have a recipe? thanks.

100 times better n terms of no pain!

and 100000% less likely to grow bacteria like water as im sure you already know, but for those just reading and learning, water can cause real issues with physical health