I'm thinking of running clen and eca stack in the 2 week on 2 week off fashion for 8 weeks, but if i can get ketofen i'll run just that and clen for 8 weeks. I won't be using any hormones of any kind just Vitrix by Nutrex and 6-oxo or transdermal formestane. My diet will be 500calories below maintenance, i was wondering if i would be able to do this without losing muslce. I'm doing this to drop some fat from the bulker of 4-ad/1-test i just finished and after 8 weeks i wanted to use M1T (can be bulker or cutter if need be). Would i be better off just running eca stack while off and then run clen while on the M1t? I'm just paranoid about losing muscle.
Clenbuterol and losing muscle
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irishpride
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
cuttin is about diet,read some of dafonz's posts on fats etc..there a must when cuttin...also i like to run some kinda of aas when cuttin to help preserve muscle..clen is known to have anti-catabolic effects so that will preserve muscle...do cardio in the AM on an empty stomach..slow and steady for like 30-45mins
modizzle
New member
definitely agreed, i have run MC's clen, which now am on a break from, and i dropped body fat easily by running at a stead pace like IP stated above, Early AM on empty stomach, But always remember, you will here this alot on this site, Diet is always the key, regardless of what your goals are...
franconian
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I grew while taking clen and lowered my bf% and I ate like a horse
If your trying to loose BF% you will loose some muscle, there is no way you can loose only fat while cutting. The goal it to keep the fat to muscle ratio in check where you loose the maximum amount of fat while loosing the minimum amount of muscle at the same time.
Your gonna want to incorporate EFA's into into your diet to keep you from goin catabolic. Like IP said I've written some threads on Fats just do a search and you'll easily find them.
Also, i would have a carb cutoff point where you take in no carbs, but at the same time Veggies like broccolli should not be counted as carbs in your diet. Its at this time where you should be getting your EFA's to help keep the Kcal high enough where you dont drop to much muscle to fast.
Another thing, dont run an ECA while off the Clen. Your body will respond better the clen when you come back onto it if you give your body the needed rest.
And of course make sure your getting 40 grams of fiber a day, drinking 2 gallons of water, taking your whole food multi, getting enough sleep (7 hours minimum and try to get 8), eat every 3 hours, also supp l-carnitine, kill the sugars, etc. These are just a few things i can think of off hand.
Your gonna want to incorporate EFA's into into your diet to keep you from goin catabolic. Like IP said I've written some threads on Fats just do a search and you'll easily find them.
Also, i would have a carb cutoff point where you take in no carbs, but at the same time Veggies like broccolli should not be counted as carbs in your diet. Its at this time where you should be getting your EFA's to help keep the Kcal high enough where you dont drop to much muscle to fast.
Another thing, dont run an ECA while off the Clen. Your body will respond better the clen when you come back onto it if you give your body the needed rest.
And of course make sure your getting 40 grams of fiber a day, drinking 2 gallons of water, taking your whole food multi, getting enough sleep (7 hours minimum and try to get 8), eat every 3 hours, also supp l-carnitine, kill the sugars, etc. These are just a few things i can think of off hand.
I personally don't like clen anymore. Both times I've used Aqua-Clen it I've lost approximately 3-4 pounds of muscle with out dropping body fat according to my body fat calipers. After 2 bad experiences I switched back to the ECA stack and dropped another 2% in body fat both times, plus I put back on the muscle. I also get a much better sweat when doing cardio off of the ECA stack.
Not to mention that I can't handle the clen, even at small dosages of 20-30 mcg a day. The side effects for me are too much to handle. I think that's why they nick named it liquid crack. I feel shaky and paranoid all day, not cool since I have to make calls and answer phones for work. Clen by far has the worst side effects of any drug I've done so far.
That's just my 2 cents worth. I believe you can get the Aqua-Clen here and the ECA stack also. Give them a try if ya want, you ain't gonna find the clen cheaper than here, but I’ll stick to the ECA stack.
Not to mention that I can't handle the clen, even at small dosages of 20-30 mcg a day. The side effects for me are too much to handle. I think that's why they nick named it liquid crack. I feel shaky and paranoid all day, not cool since I have to make calls and answer phones for work. Clen by far has the worst side effects of any drug I've done so far.
That's just my 2 cents worth. I believe you can get the Aqua-Clen here and the ECA stack also. Give them a try if ya want, you ain't gonna find the clen cheaper than here, but I’ll stick to the ECA stack.
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