Training without gear and all that stuff

I train 3 times a week in the offseason. 4-5 inseason.
low volume, realitively high intensity.
compound exercises.
progressively.
balanced eatiing plan.
Creatine, and glutamine.

16 years of training experience.

ummm....nice job bro.....looking good....not bad for a natty thats for sure

Your lats are impessive. They are full and tie to the bottom which some ppl neglect.

How bout some pics of the legs?

welcome bro...and like fonz said...your lats are impressive especially for a nattyu bro

damn bro, u r a genetic freak....u look awesome, post some wheels pics

That's more than not bad that's freaky that you have that condition naturally, good job bro, you could be a total FREAK if you hit da sauce. :satan:

you look awesome bro. huge traps awesome shape. remind me of chris cormier buddy.

DoubleWide22 said:

you look awesome bro. huge traps awesome shape. remind me of chris cormier buddy.

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thats the first thing i thought as well, i looked real close at that second pic because your face looks exactly like him.

da_Fonz said:

Your lats are impessive. They are full and tie to the bottom which some ppl neglect.

How bout some pics of the legs?

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Thats good considering my lats used to lag behind everything else. I'll take some pics during a leg workout when I can I'll post them.

Chaps said:

That's more than not bad that's freaky that you have that condition naturally, good job bro, you could be a total FREAK if you hit da sauce. :satan:

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Thankyou,
Yeah I could be,
But it would'nt really seperate me from the pack. Being natural and achieving this level is more of an accomplishment (I feel so).

Flexmaster said:

thats the first thing i thought as well, i looked real close at that second pic because your face looks exactly like him.

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Yeah I hear that one a lot. I also hear Evander Holifield (when I have a bald head), Robby Robinson, and a few other athletes. Got to be the iron in the barbells, must be rubbing off.

Just dont resemble Evander too much and have 8 kids with 4 diff women, lol.

myseone said:

Thankyou,
Yeah I could be,
But it would'nt really seperate me from the pack. Being natural and achieving this level is more of an accomplishment (I feel so).

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Dude u dont need it do what u r doing rite now cuz it works for u, I wish i had your genetics my man. U should consider competing

Pumped78 said:

Dude u dont need it do what u r doing rite now cuz it works for u, I wish i had your genetics my man. U should consider competing

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Thanks for the respect. Genetics matter, but more important is using proper exercise, nutrition, and psychological principles. If you optimize those you would be astounded by the results you can acheive without the gear.

Have to agree with body2see on this one. Even I as a hardgainer have a couple of muscle groups that do seem to grow no matter what I do, yet others stubbornly refuse to do anything. I've seen other guys at my gym blow up huge and yet they don't seem to know anything about what they're doing. Genetics are key after you've got everything else down.

not bad ?? you look phenomenol for natural or for a chemically enhanced athlete... mad props for the dedication to train hard and consistent for 16 years to get those kind of results...

would love to see some progress pics along the way, especially since you said your lat were lagging at one point.. hard to imagine...

and yeah genetics help a bit but don't do a dang thing if you aren't in the gym busting your a$$ and clearly you have..

congrats
~dim

body2see said:

I agree to disagree. Genetics are everything. I competed as a natural for over 8 years myself using proper exercise, nutrition, and psychological principles. People thought I was on gear, but in reality I wasn't. Very hard work to build and maintain this way. Don't get me wrong, I got awesome results but it was a long haul...and I eventually found that I reached a plateau, thanks of course to genetics. For example, everyone has one or two specific body parts that just grow. People tend to have one that stands out and they have NO say in this whatsoever, some people have more difficulty with this than others.

I have seen people that know nothing and eat garbage, blow up because they are genetically gifted, while others, myself included, who have excellent knowledge, application, and diet struggle to make their bodies something it wasn't "naturally" meant to be. I have seen people who have never lifted a day in their lives look as if they'd been training for years.

I think that is what makes one choose the decision to use gear is when they are ready to make themselves something they are not meant to be...

Everyone wants a quick fix...why train naturally for 16 years when you can get it with gear in 1-2?? I mean that is the train of thought these days, like it or not.

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You may of misunderstood my comments. Heres a more clerer view of what I think:

Genetics determine your potetial, basically what you can accomplish if you workout, eat, and sleep.

Drugs allow you to supercede your gentics, to basically become a super you. When you get off the drugs your body returns to it's prior genetic boundaries.

So yes genetics are very important.

That being said, most people are not genetically gifted, if they were no one would be gentically gifted.

Most people sit in the middle of the bell curve.
Some people sit to the right side of the curve and no matter what they do they will always be relatively small, and weak.
Some people sit to the extreme right of the curve, these people are muscular without training, are strong without training, and get bigger no matter what they do.

It's fair to say that if most people sit in the middle, most people should not train in a manner that the gentically gifted or the geneticaslly cursed would follow.

For these individuals, realizing a muscular (8-12% body fat) at a weight of 185 and a height of 5.10 is an effort but can be done. With a little more effort some of them can gain an additional 5-7lbs of muscle over this number. This would leave most advanced trainees with a mens health type of body if they trained correctly.

The thing is that most average trainees (particulary young males) look at Coleman, Yates, La cour, etc... as the type of body they wish to have so they follow the same program as the champs, use the same nutrition plan, the same drugs and expect the same result.

Most people after a few months or years of training this way burnout or quit in disgust from their lack of progress.

Most people would continue to train if they 1) had a more realistic goal thats fits within their gentic capacity and 2)trained in a manner that allowed them to make gains.

Most average trainees (if you have to ask if your average you most likely are) will benefit best from the following:

3 weekly workouts a week on non consecutive days
Compound exercises
Progressive weights
3-5 work sets per muscle not exercise
warming up with light weight before the heavy weight
1-2 exercises per muscle group
sound nutrition (not that low carb rediculously high protein nonsense)
sufficent rest
and a strong mindset (this is the glue that allows you to follow the above for enough time to see a change)

If you are getting cut up, you can train a little more frequently, by adding light cardio, calasthenic, or light weight training to speed up fat removal. A reduction in caloric intake is also indicated.

With the above method a trainee will be able to add aprox 10-20lbs of muscle his first year of training (muscle not fat or excess water). After the first year gains will slow down to 5-10lbs (of muscle not fat or excess water) a year for a few years. Then hit a point in which further gains are extremely hard to come by.

The thing is if you follow the instruction above you will reach your goal a lot quicker than other drug free methods and in the end we all want progress.


So yes gentics do matter, but with that being said other factors come into play especially if you are further right on the bell curve.

Lawrence

Note: For more info about my training and nutritional philosophies write me at [email protected] I will put you on my mailing list for my newsletter, that I will send out once my website is up.

Dim Mouse said:

not bad ?? you look phenomenol for natural or for a chemically enhanced athlete... mad props for the dedication to train hard and consistent for 16 years to get those kind of results...

would love to see some progress pics along the way, especially since you said your lat were lagging at one point.. hard to imagine...

and yeah genetics help a bit but don't do a dang thing if you aren't in the gym busting your a$$ and clearly you have..

congrats
~dim

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Thankyou.

I actually realized this size after about 7 years of training (meaning body weight). My weight was 155lbs when I started and I was able to get it up to 220+. In the pics I weigh about 207lbs.

Over the years my weight has shifted, my lats are bigger, calves better, so my overall quality is better.

I've never been one to take much pictures, due to my shyness earlier in my life. Now I'm very comfortable taking pictures, and so will take more as I progress.