1st cycle diet

whatdude

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hey, just wondering what your opinion was on proper diet for a cycle, being that ive never done one before and i feel anything worth doing is worth doing right. let me precede this by saying that i want to cut up more then get stronger. the main reason why i am doing a cycle is so that i can lose the remaining fat i have without muscle loss. ive dieted properly since january, at which point i was about 183, i am down to 167 right now at 5'9. needless to say, i look better, but the remaining belly fat is being stubborn. subsequently, i have lost a lot of strength. i am taking 400 mg test enth per week (for 15 wks), and i will be taking 50 mg winny/day starting the last 6 weeks of my cycle. what is a good caloric intake, and proper protein carb and fat intake? is it safe to keep carbs low? once i kicked in the winny i was planning on going no carb. bad idea? keep in mind i am trying to get abs. i know numbers arent entirely helpful, i could write my entire diet if thats better, but right now im taking in about 280 g protein, 150 g carbs, 50 g fat on a 2100 calorie diet. any opinion is appreciated. oh and im taking ephedrine again. 4 a day, despite the "warning".
 
well I would def up the protein bro. During a cutter you need between 300-400grms for some one like you. I am @ 185lbs and I take no less 450gs per day. Its hard to tell you what to eat and how much of it. With out knowing your cardio and work out habbits. Trial and error will let you know what your body needs. 15 weeks its too long of a cycle I think. With good diet 10weeks should suffice. If you go the money I would stack deca also. You may bloat a bit on it but it will go away eventually and you would get better results also. good luck
 
I agree with Elmo in that it's had to answer you diet question without bringing up cardio. 15 weeks isn't that long but what's your past cycle history? how much cardio do you do now and how much do you plan on doing while on? the test and winny will help you hold onto muscle but they're not going to help you get those abs unless you really start training for them and that means cardio 3 or 4 times a week minimium for 45 minutes. I also think you probably should up your protein and wouldn't recommend cutting carbs out becuase you're going to need them to keep up the cardio. Instead of deca I would think about adding in IGF which would help you shed the fat a lot easier and still build size and strength
 
If i'm correct i believe this is your first cycle, then Test E shouldn't been a good choice of Test to cut, even tho you can still use it. A better combo would be prop/winny/and some clen. But then again that would be to much for a starter cycle. The Abs and overall body fat drop is going to come from diet and tons of cardio like everyone said,4 times a week 45 minutes session, high protein, high healthy fats, and moderate-medium carb intake, and you're gonna gain some weight from test e and some could be water weight, but if you have nolva or fem use that to keep water retention down. But remember no Roid is gonna make you ripped or cut or lose weight or bodyfat without a good diet and regular exercise. Good luck and keep us posted...
 
sorry i havent been on in a couple days. i will try to address the questions in the order they were asked. the running is not a problem. last year i got up to an hour a day 6 days a week. unfortunately the diet wasnt there so despite the enormous amount of cardio, i barely lost any weight. go figure. i dont intend on doing as much cardio this time around, being that i havent done virtually any yet this year and still dropped 15 lbs off of diet alone. for the past couple weeks i have been throwing in running about 5 days a week for 30 minutes, but no set routine. i lift 5 days a week as well. basically, i am at the gym everyday, whether it is cardio or lifting or both. this is my first cycle, to answer your question. i would have went with test prop, but my friend talked me out of it, saying injections were too painful and much more frequent. having lost the use of my left arm for about 4 days after an inproper first injection, im glad that i didnt go with prop after all. now im going quad injections, which, in my opinion is much more tolerable. the reason why i am going for a 15 week cycle instead of 10 is because i heard it takes about 5 weeks for the cycle to kick in, basically meaning id only benefit for the last 5 weeks of the cycle - i didnt want to use anything to kick start it either, like d-bol, for the unwanted effect of water retention. besides, with the bottles of test i got, id have to take at least 550 mg of test per week to finish in 10 weeks, which in my opinion is just too much for the first cycle. so 15 it is. i dont want to stack deca because i plan on using my dick this summer, although i have heard good things about it. i am taking nolva, so hopefully that will keep water retention down, like you had mentioned.

to give you an idea of the protein and foods im eating heres my diet as follows. breakfast: bowl of shredded wheat, 3 egg whites, protein shake, 1 cup of cottage cheese. mid morning snack: protein bar. lunch: 1 grilled chicken breast, 3 egg whites, 1 cup of cottage cheese, 1 cup of black beans. mid afternoon snack: protein bar. dinner: 2 grilled chicken breast, 3 egg whites, protein shake, 1 cup of cottage cheese. post workout snack: 3 egg whites, protein shake, 8 oz of something high in glucose (usually gatorade).

this is roughly what i have been doing since january. trial and error has gotten me to the current lineup that you have seen. typically, i hate everything that i eat so it cant be that wrong. any suggestions for improvement would be appreciated. i was told i should bump up protein if i wanted to see significant improvements from my cycle, but the necessary evil in that is that i have to bump up calories. basically, i am wondering if it is possible to do that without getting fat. i am probably completely wrong in thinking this, but the idea behind me taking a cycle was to basically have my body maintain the strength i have, while i cut a lot of calories, carbs and fat, in order to shred the remaining fat. which i know isnt possible by doing things naturally. again, any feedback, foods to try, target calories, protein, fats, and carb intake would be appreciated.
 
the easiest and most beneficial thing you can do is simply add in another protein shake later in the day. you listed a mid-afternoon snack and post workout snack but didn't list dinner so I'm assuming there is room in there for another shake. Yes you will be adding calories but you will also be eating more protein and building more muscle. every 1lb of muscle you gain it burns 50 calories a day or 1lb of fat every 70 days without doing a thing. combined with the diet and exercise you will melt the fat away. I would also look into adding an ECA or Clen into what you are doing now and you will see the fat loss faster.
 
i will be trying to throw more protein in. i do eat a dinner, it is just jumbled in with the rest of the stuff so you might not have noticed it. ill prob add another shake, because that is easy, like you said. i figure ill just do whatever i can to get over 300 grams in a day. i am hoping to slowly cut down on carbs, since i know that is effective for burning fat. maybe go no carb for a month starting with the winny. hopefully that wont kill all muscle growth.
 
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