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TheLawd

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Hi guys,
It's been about 5 weeks since I started my first cycle.
My starting stats were 6'4 190lbs, tall guy with a gut sort of build.
Never been over 195lb in my life with many hundreds of dollars donated to supplement shops.
I started with sust 250 once a week for the first 4 weeks and now I'm the same every 5 days for a couple of weeks. I am proud to say I hit 207lbs last night.
The eating has been full on, but loving the gains. Last night I had my first lot of Deca, I went with 1.5ml and am planning on doing that every 5 days with my Sust for the next two weeks. After the two weeks I'm was going to go back to weekly for the last 4 weeks of 1.5ml deca and the sust250.
I've been taking pics and a weekly video from that start, I cant really see much in the photo's myself but this Sunday is the half way mark so I'm taking measurements. I've been getting some comments which is always good.
Any advise or comments would be appreciated.
Cheers
Lawd
 
I think my main problem has been diet, I've taken my diet from 3000cals to close to 5500 on a good day, the first week I just felt ill from all the eating, but after that if I didnt eat every hour or so I was getting full on hunger pains. You think I should up my dosage? Hows the dosage of the Deca? First one was last night.
 
i would do 400mgs a week of deca and 500mgs a week of sust, broken up into two shots a week, mon and thursday..sust is best shot EOD do to the esters but i doubt you want to do that many sticks your first go around...do you have your pct planned out?
 
I was going to up the Sust to 500 split into two, but as my results have been better than expected I thought the next 3 would be 250 at 5 day intervals. With regards to Deca, I think it's 250 per 1ml, does that sound right? So 1.5ml should be about 375 every 5 days.
And your right, not too keen on the sticks. I've heard I can put sust and deca in one jab as they are both oil based?
I've had a little advice on the pct but havent done anything at this stage.
 
Lawd, make sure you get everything you NEED for pct before you end your cycle.. unless you have a local guy, it seems that getting anything is either tough, or very long to get... meaning, you don't want to mess up the end of your progress either...

good luck, and happy first cycle bro... the 1st is THE BEST, ... everyone, and I mean EVERONE has thier BEST results from cycle number 1, everything else after that is figuring out what exactly works best with your body...

the first round is a freebie, as your body just loves whatever you feed it.... the rest, is science and experiementation... enjoy it.. and congrats... keep us updated
 
Quick question, how long before you can revist the same stick point? 10-14 days ok?
I seem to get the least irritation from by upper glute area.
I'm using Sust 250 and Deca about 350mg in one shot.
I was rotating between quads, so return to the same point every 4 weeks, but I end up limping around for 3 days afterwards.
 
great to hear your making great gains off such a low cycle :) thats AWSOME

but why so low? also how long do you plan on running this ?

but llike everyone said, the 1st cycle is where you learn.
-proper inject
-proper clean up
-proper spacing your compounds
-proper PCT

with that being said, what do you have for your PCT ??
 
Thanks mate, I started off low as 1st time I had the usual worries. I thought I would see how I go and gauge it from there. I'm still gaining so I dont really see any reason to go much harder. I have just up'd from 250 every 7 days to every 5 days, plus added 400 deca every 5 days. looking at a 10 week cycle, just over half way.
At this stage I dont have any PCT lined up, I'm just starting to think about that now as I have about a month to sort it out.
So any advice here would be appreciated. My supplier has suggested a couple of things but as I got told earlier, sometimes these guys just push what they have.
If you could give me a run down of what I'm after I'd really appreciate it.
(sitting here munching down my morning oats..., force feeding this morning)
 
TheLawd said:
Quick question, how long before you can revist the same stick point? 10-14 days ok?
I seem to get the least irritation from by upper glute area.
I'm using Sust 250 and Deca about 350mg in one shot.
I was rotating between quads, so return to the same point every 4 weeks, but I end up limping around for 3 days afterwards.
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ive revisted the same are 3 days later. Just make sure your massaging the area for a good five minutes after inject to help spread the oil around in your muscle
 
TheLawd said:
Thanks mate, I started off low as 1st time I had the usual worries. I thought I would see how I go and gauge it from there. I'm still gaining so I dont really see any reason to go much harder. I have just up'd from 250 every 7 days to every 5 days, plus added 400 deca every 5 days. looking at a 10 week cycle, just over half way.
At this stage I dont have any PCT lined up, I'm just starting to think about that now as I have about a month to sort it out.
So any advice here would be appreciated. My supplier has suggested a couple of things but as I got told earlier, sometimes these guys just push what they have.
If you could give me a run down of what I'm after I'd really appreciate it.
(sitting here munching down my morning oats..., force feeding this morning)
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Id go with some clomid, hcg, IGF, and some novedex or some guys use nolvadex also
 
TheLawd said:
Quick question, how long before you can revist the same stick point? 10-14 days ok?
I seem to get the least irritation from by upper glute area.
I'm using Sust 250 and Deca about 350mg in one shot.
I was rotating between quads, so return to the same point every 4 weeks, but I end up limping around for 3 days afterwards.
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great progress. stay low as long as you can on dosing and adjust as needed. incorprate your shoulders as injection sites, there VERY easy and painless. when an area is no longer sore your good to go again, but between quads, glutes, and delts you'll have no problem.
 
After this cycle I was thinking of waiting a few months and then using Sust250 on an ongoing basis, light dosage, once every 2 weeks to keep in the in system. Do that for 20 weeks, take 5-6 weeks off and do it again. Will this have any adverse affects on an ongoing basis as it's such a low dosage? My natural Test levels were below average so I can do this legally with a script from my doc. Will this shut things down even more?
 
yes... Sounds like you wont make a full recovery and then your going to keep your body from returning even longer.

Best thing is to go off for as long as you where on.
 
Thanks for the info.
Last night I hit 211, just over 20lbs of gains in 7 weeks. bf is still up around the 20% mark but starting to see some noticeable gains all round.
I'm going to have my last sust250 this Friday with Deca 325, then one week later have my last Deca. At this rate I should finish around the 215 mark before I start to cut up.
I'm trying to sort out my PCT now, I cant get IGF down here in Aus without some risk but I should be able to get some Clomid, and maybe hcg. I have been offered some oral 50mg test, cant remember the name of it now. Is this stuff any good, I've read the liver destroys it before it gets into the system?
What dosages should I be looking at for Clomid and hcg and should I start them now? Maybe some herbal test booster as well? Zeus or similar?
Cheers for all the info, I'll post some pics soon.
 
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yea, oral test is garbage. and expensive garbage.
Most people say you dont need hcg with a short cycle like yours...I tend to agree.
Clomid is a must though. It usually comes 50mg/ml or per tablet.
 
Hi all,
I'm having some problems getting some PCT down in Aus, my supplier has come up short. I approached my doc who I got my sust off and asked if he could give me anything to get my normal production back on track, I said my wife was worried about my apples and wanted to know if I could take something to get the size back.
He has offered me something called Pregnyl, anyone had any experience with this? Will it do the job?
Cheers
Lawd
 
TheLawd said:
Hi all,
I'm having some problems getting some PCT down in Aus, my supplier has come up short. I approached my doc who I got my sust off and asked if he could give me anything to get my normal production back on track, I said my wife was worried about my apples and wanted to know if I could take something to get the size back.
He has offered me something called Pregnyl, anyone had any experience with this? Will it do the job?
Cheers
Lawd
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Yes, thats HCG. It will definately help. Use it for sure. You could even get some novedex (from GNC) to help in conjunction with the HCG
 
Cheers for that, I've found some novedex locally which I'll pick up later today. The doc is going to sting me $200 for the Pregnyl, but it looks like my only option so I'll get that sorted this week. He's say 1 pin a week for 3 weeks, not sure of dose thou.

Thanks again
 
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