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vetteguy

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I had to change usernames as its been 2 years since I've been on here. Some may remember me. My now ex wife got her pro card in Figure in only 4 shows, then left me. Anyway I've done a few shows in the light heavyweight class after only 4 weeks of dieting as I stay extraordinarily lean all the time. Currently I'm 5'8 and 213 with veins in my abs despite eating all I can force into my mouth including pizza, fast food, clean food and roughly 400 grams of protein a day.
I've been on 1000mg a week of test for 2 years straight and some winstrol and other things here and there, but I just don't seem to get much stronger and no bigger. I'm prescribed the test and GH, but I can't afford the GH. I'm 29 years old. Have tried IGF from other sites was and was not impressed. Used insulin before, but I didn't do it consistently enough.
Currently thinking about MC's IGF (what dose and duration) and insulin again (10 iu after workout to start) any other ideas? This can't be the limit for me can it? My Dr. says my receptors are saturated with Test so a higher dose would be pointless.
 
vetteguy said:
I had to change usernames as its been 2 years since I've been on here. Some may remember me. My now ex wife got her pro card in Figure in only 4 shows, then left me. Anyway I've done a few shows in the light heavyweight class after only 4 weeks of dieting as I stay extraordinarily lean all the time. Currently I'm 5'8 and 213 with veins in my abs despite eating all I can force into my mouth including pizza, fast food, clean food and roughly 400 grams of protein a day.
I've been on 1000mg a week of test for 2 years straight and some winstrol and other things here and there, but I just don't seem to get much stronger and no bigger. I'm prescribed the test and GH, but I can't afford the GH. I'm 29 years old. Have tried IGF from other sites was and was not impressed. Used insulin before, but I didn't do it consistently enough.
Currently thinking about MC's IGF (what dose and duration) and insulin again (10 iu after workout to start) any other ideas? This can't be the limit for me can it? My Dr. says my receptors are saturated with Test so a higher dose would be pointless.
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wish my doctor would prescribe me a gram of test a week lol...Would be nice for insurance to pick up that tab! But seriously, you get prescribed that much test? I usally ramp my test down after 3 or 4 months of high doses, then up it when i stack other drugs. Your gonna have to add other compounds into your cycles to go along with that test. I can hold about 245 lbs on just test, but when i add other stuff, eq/tren/slin i get much larger!
 
I think IGF would help, but it isn't a magic pill, if you know what I mean. It sounds like you have never been off test. You would have to come down to at least 150-200mg/week if you can't come off the test for HRT reasons for a while to let your body recover. Otherwise you should come off completely. What was your user name before?
 
saudades said:
I think IGF would help, but it isn't a magic pill, if you know what I mean. It sounds like you have never been off test. You would have to come down to at least 150-200mg/week if you can't come off the test for HRT reasons for a while to let your body recover. Otherwise you should come off completely. What was your user name before?
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I thought the previous username was slimguy or something like that. I remember the previous email address if that helps. Yes my Dr. Prescribes me 1g a week and GH and 100mg a day of winstrol or pretty much anything I want. I have the blood work to make it all legit. I "crash" once a year, but other than that the nature of my work prevents me from continuing with things like HCG and the like while "coming off". I'm really just baffled. 1g a week is A LOT! But I do have a small frame and appear much larger. I'm not looking for a majic pill, but 5lbs a year would be great. I'm far from a novice. I'm thinking test, IGF, insulin, and maybe something else that I can be prescribed? Anavar perhaps?
 
I'm also thinking that I need a way to injest more calories. If I'm staying this lean and not gaining muscle or fat, I can't be eating enough. Hard to believe. I eat more than some of the Pro's I know!
 
vetteguy said:
I thought the previous username was slimguy or something like that. I remember the previous email address if that helps. Yes my Dr. Prescribes me 1g a week and GH and 100mg a day of winstrol or pretty much anything I want. I have the blood work to make it all legit. I "crash" once a year, but other than that the nature of my work prevents me from continuing with things like HCG and the like while "coming off". I'm really just baffled. 1g a week is A LOT! But I do have a small frame and appear much larger. I'm not looking for a majic pill, but 5lbs a year would be great. I'm far from a novice. I'm thinking test, IGF, insulin, and maybe something else that I can be prescribed? Anavar perhaps?
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I seriously cant believe any legitimate doctor would be prescribing you 1g/week of test. Also, i thought that winstrol was a drug prescribed to race horses not humans, and 100mg a day? So, you have a script for hgh but cant aford it? Man, if this is true, you should seriously just stockpile all your "scripts" for about 6 months and get down to about 250/week test for awhile. Your receptors are Toast dude. Anavar wont do anything for you at this point, maybe you could run some with low test to keep what you've already got.
 
Let your body clean out some...I think your burned out...Doesnt sound like your very consistent with your diet...Yeah, insulin would help alot (but if your diet isnt on, then forget it)...
 
1G/week of test for 2 years straight? Yeah I would say that your receptors need a break-surprised your doctors hasn't already advised this
 
I won't speculate on who prescribes what, but yes, my doctor presribes what I stated. I was also under the impression that stanazolol was animal only, but I don't have an M.D. after my name. Insurance won't cover any injectable for me. As for the receptor thing I was of the same opinion until having a lengthy conversation with a few friends that are Pro's. One of which has a Mr. Olympia crown. They are all in agreement that as your muscles become larger you create more receptors therefor there is an ever increasing need for additional androgens. They advised to up the test to 1500, add an anabolic, and cycle the anabolic with IGF and insulin. That just sounds like A LOT to me. If the receptors are full now and I'm not growing how is clearing them and then going back up going to build muscle? I've done it before and I loose a little siz and then regain it. As far as my diet, I eat around 400 grams of protein a day and as many calories as possible. How is that in any way counterproductive??
 
I'm interested to hear what some of the larger national level guys on here do. I'm also bored with this and would like to try some other venues for muscle growth.
 
crazy man... I think if i knew people who where mr. o, id be only listening to them.

But me personally, when i stop responding to 1g of test... its time to clean up. Clear out the receptor cells for a good 6 months.
 
I agree with normal, being on 1g for 2 years straight is pretty intense. Why not do some cruising at say 250 a week for severeral months then go for another blast phase? Also i wouldnt run the winny over 50mg's a day i just dont think its needed that high.
 
I'll be totally honest with ya bro --- I think your diet needs some help (what I mean by that is, getting the diet down so your anabolic all the time) Right foods at the right times...I know when Im on a precontest diet, after about 2 weeks of it (i'll start super early 20 + wks out) I start to grow, and lean down at the same time..yeah anabolics help alot, but its the combo of the two with trainign to get me growing
 
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Chris250 said:
I'll be totally honest with ya bro --- I think your diet needs some help (what I mean by that is, getting the diet down so your anabolic all the time) Right foods at the right times...I know when Im on a precontest diet, after about 2 weeks of it (i'll start super early 20 + wks out) I start to grow, and lean down at the same time..yeah anabolics help alot, but its the combo of the two with trainign to get me growing
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That sounds a little more clear. My hesitation about me listening to them is that they simply injest and inject as much as possible. They also have superior genetics for muscle growth and digestive capabilities. I have to take additional digestive enzymes when I'm dieting. These guys both inject 3 grams a week of test at times as well as 2-3 other drugs.
Could IGF and perhaps GHRP be good during the down time to at least not loose any muscle? How long? Then what?
Even when I rebound after a show I won't make any additional gains over what I have.
 
I would think that the IGF would help-it always did me...PCT

also, there is the rumor that IGF causes hyperplasma so there might be something to that-think that is on a case to case basis
personally I love it
 
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