Whats your favorite protocol for HCG during cycle?

Get_Swole

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Next cycle will be February first for about 20 weeks or so. Gonna go probably 750 or so most of the way through. Ive never ran HCG during cycle so this will be a first for me. 250 twice a week 500 once a week whats your favorite? Also you do apply hcg subQ right? Does it have to be refridgerated after its constituted? thanks Also would you run it just during cycle and stop right before PCT or continue through pct? About how many kits would one need to run it for this long.
 
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HCG -

Pharmaceutical Name: Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin
Effective dose: 1500-7500 IU every 5-6 days
Average Street-price: $4-6 per 5000 IU
Available Doses: 100,125,250,500, 1000, 1500,2000,2500,3000,5000,10000,20000 International Units


Characteristics:

Human chorionic gonadotrophin is a strange hormone. Its only found in the placenta of pregnant women. For women it has fairly little use if any however, but to the male athlete it has one interesting property. It can mimic the action of luteinizing hormone (LH) in the body. LH is a pituitary hormone that is released and signals the manufacture of testosterone in the testicles. The sex hormones in the body work via a negative feedback system, where too much sex hormone (like anabolic androgenic steroids and estrogens) causes a signal to the brain to stop the release of LH. During long duration cycles, if natural test stays suppressed for considerable time, a male user will begin to note an atrophy in his testicles, meaning they will visibly shrink purely out of disuse. By administering an LH-mimicking agent, one can bring back the function of the testicles and let them regain their size. This is the main use of HCG.

Since it forms testosterone in the body to some extent, it can impart certain performance enhancing properties, but usually these are not major. The side-effects accompanied with HCG use (usually androgenic such as extreme acne), its low rate of effect, the cost compared to more effective steroids and so on will mostly keep athletes from using it for that purpose. Moreover it can be tested for in athletic competitions, so most will stay clear of it. But to the steroid user HCG is an almost essential part of a cycle. Because of its effect on bringing testicle size back it can promote the return of natural testosterone, since the first natural signals can immediately deliver a higher yield of testosterone in the body. And getting natural testosterone back online after a cycle is crucial, especially if you intend to keep most of your hard-earned gains. Without adequate natural endocrine response you will not be able to maintain a mass that was higher than before.



The downside is that HCG too is suppressive of natural testosterone. Because it takes the place of LH. LH is not the first step in the chain of command, instead its manufactured in the pituitary under the response of Gonadotropin releasing hormone (GnRH) which is secreted from the hypothalamus. And since an LH mimicking agent is supplied exogenously, the negative feedback signal to the hypothalamus will still tell it to stop making GnRH, and so no natural LH is produced. This is why the product is always used in conjunction with a potent estrogen receptor antagonist like clomid or Nolvadex. When the androgen level in the body has dropped, these antagonists will lower estrogenic response creating a steroid deficit that signals the Hypothalamus to start making GnRH. When it does, after HCG therapy, testicle size is up again and shortly thereafter natural testosterone manufacture should return to normal. But therefore its crucial that users note that though HCG is essential after long cycles, it shouldn't be used without clomid or Nolvadex AND HCG should be discontinued at least two weeks before coming off Clomid or Nolvadex or else it will suppress natural testosterone itself.

Also important to take into account : using HCG for too long a period of time or in doses that are excessively high, can desensitize the testicles to the effect of LH and would put your right back where you started from. Basically that would mean you spent money to no avail. In terms of side-effects one should expect some androgenic signs such as acne and there is a risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy, but in most cases this compound will be used for 3-4 weeks, so these should not manifest themselves to any serious degree. There will also be some estrogen build-up, but since the user HAS to be on clomid or Nolvadex, this should not become apparent either. Next to this, HCG being a fertility drug, one should be aware that increased blood pressure and blood clotting can occur. HCG is clinically used to make women ovulate, or to invoke birth in pregnant women.

Stacking and Use:

You would normally opt to use HCG after you've done a long cycle, usually 8 weeks or more. Note that almost all proper cycles are 8 weeks or more in length, its just that some beginners have a phobia of needles and opt to waste their time with an all oral stack first, in which case the cycle wouldn't be longer than 6-7 weeks. In these cases too HCG can have a use, but most of the time testicular atrophy will not have progressed to such a stage that it is an absolute necessity. In any case, you should run it about 3 weeks, totaling about 4 shots. One every 5-6 days. Start off with one shot of 3000 IU somewhere in the last week of your stack, then another 3000 5 days later, then drop to 1500 5 days later and a last shot of 1500 6 days after that. Sometime after the second or third shot, therapy with Nolvadex or clomid should be commenced and continued for 4-5 weeks. How to do this, I refer you to the Nolva/clomid profile.

In any case, I'll repeat it again, since it is important. HCG IS and always will be an important part of post-cycle recovery, but it should never be run too long or at too high a dose and should always be accompanied by the use of either Clomid or Nolvadex. The use of Clomid or Nolvadex should also be continued at least 2 weeks after HCG is discontinued to avoid the HCG causing problems.
 
seems like a waste during cycle... but whatever... I guess it depends on how much it costs.
 
seems like a waste during cycle... but whatever... I guess it depends on how much it costs.

Ive heard opposite for years that its way better to run it during the entire cycle so your still producing by the time you come off its like having a jumpstart on your pct i guess you could say.
 
The biggest thing for HCG it to run it DURING CYCLE.
You want your testicles to produce and function during and more importantly after your cycle.
You want them to be plump so by the time you wait that period between last injection to PCT ( short for short ester long for longer ones ) your test production is all ready raging and you will most likely maintain the mass you gained and worked so hard for.

HCG also does non directly cause an increase in estrogen, I noticed every time I fired up HCG I a gyno issue, which again arimidex took care of for me. From old readings, if memory servs me right, its also supressive on the HPTA.

Cant stress enough how ideal and logical it is to run it DURING your cycle apposed to after the cycle.
Give her a shot........250IU 2 x per week - I like to run 500 IU 2x per week. They are so juicy and plump at that dose - LMAO

Just my .02cents
 
The biggest thing for HCG it to run it DURING CYCLE.
You want your testicles to produce and function during and more importantly after your cycle.
You want them to be plump so by the time you wait that period between last injection to PCT ( short for short ester long for longer ones ) your test production is all ready raging and you will most likely maintain the mass you gained and worked so hard for.

HCG also does non directly cause an increase in estrogen, I noticed every time I fired up HCG I a gyno issue, which again arimidex took care of for me. From old readings, if memory servs me right, its also supressive on the HPTA.

Cant stress enough how ideal and logical it is to run it DURING your cycle apposed to after the cycle.
Give her a shot........250IU 2 x per week - I like to run 500 IU 2x per week. They are so juicy and plump at that dose - LMAO

Just my .02cents

Well this juicy and plump talk is making me wanna puke lmao. Im definitely gonna run it during now that ive looked more into it.
Im not sensitive to estrogen but it will probably cause me problems too. Ill have plenty of anti's on hand though plus im gonna be running adex the entire thing probably to keep bloat down anyways. Thanks for the tips bro your posts on the site are all very informative with the exception of plumpa nd juicy balls lmao.
 
I've heard straight from a doctor that you should be on HCG right at the beginning of the cycle, running it something like 250-500mcg every three days. He said it was like "keeping the horse in the barn instead of chasing it down later."
 
I've heard straight from a doctor that you should be on HCG right at the beginning of the cycle, running it something like 250-500mcg every three days. He said it was like "keeping the horse in the barn instead of chasing it down later."

cool deal, how many kits do you think id need for 24 weeks at 250 twice a week? I dont know how many come in a kit lol? Also does it need to be refridgerated? and if so can one of those little car ac coolers keep them cool enough i dont like keeping anything in the fridge where friends or family would see.
 
I just got done with a HCG pre-scribed regimine through the University close to where I live. Here's what I know first hand. I used to run it during a cycle at a number of different dosages and different intervals. Between cycles, my test levels never crashed to a point where I noticed, so I just figured the HCG was working. Then last year I came off cycle in early October, even ran HCG in my post cycle. Everything was cool until around January of this year when I had no sex drive what so ever. All the time my girl and I are trying to make a baby. I ended up going to a fertility specialist who sent me to the University. Come to find out my test levels were zero. So they started me on HCG at 1500iu/ wk for 1 month and then did a re-evaluation. Within 1 month my test levels had started to rise but were still not up to what they should be in a normal 27 year old male, I think they were right around 70% of what they should have been. They dropped me to 1000iu/ wk for all of month 2. I went in 1 month later and was back to normal after 2 months of HCG therapy. They dropped me down to 500iu/ wk just in case my body wouldn't be able to sustain natural testosterone production by itself since it had nly been makign it for 2 months now. After 5 months of HCG treatments my girl finally got pregnant. So here's what I know, at least for me, from now on, I'm only running it post cycle long after I would normally think my body was back to normal(sya start around days 60-75). I don't know if it's b/c of the dosages or length that I was running the compounds I was, but it took almost 3 months after my last injection before I could physically notice a crash in my natural test production. I've read a number of different opinions and advice from people on a number of different forums and they are all different. I think they is a lot of solid info out there about the actual AAS themselves, but little solid information about PCT and things of that nature. Part of the problem is that you can't do a real world study on any of this in a controlled environment. So alot of the info we have is all speculation. Just some food for thought.
 
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cool deal, how many kits do you think id need for 24 weeks at 250 twice a week? I dont know how many come in a kit lol? Also does it need to be refridgerated? and if so can one of those little car ac coolers keep them cool enough i dont like keeping anything in the fridge where friends or family would see.

My sources have them in 5000 IU amps.
I think if you search my name youll find some info - I broke down how to dilute a amp with water.

24 weeks 250 IU x2 a week = 500 IU a week ( some do 1000 IU a week )
24 x 500 IU = 12000IU so that's 3 x 5000 IU amps

1 5000 IU amp diluted with 5 ml of bacteriostatic water = 1000IU per CC
half cc = 500 IU 1/4CC = 250 Iu

Yes, you will want to re fridge it right after its mixed. HCG a bit more picky when it comes to storage temps, And degrades quicker then IGF - if its around fridge temps - you will be ok for about 50-60 days.

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?t=49133

gluck
 
I just got done with a HCG pre-scribed regimine through the University close to where I live. Here's what I know first hand. I used to run it during a cycle at a number of different dosages and different intervals. Between cycles, my test levels never crashed to a point where I noticed, so I just figured the HCG was working. Then last year I came off cycle in early October, even ran HCG in my post cycle. Everything was cool until around January of this year when I had no sex drive what so ever. All the time my girl and I are trying to make a baby. I ended up going to a fertility specialist who sent me to the University. Come to find out my test levels were zero. So they started me on HCG at 1500iu/ wk for 1 month and then did a re-evaluation. Within 1 month my test levels had started to rise but were still not up to what they should be in a normal 27 year old male, I think they were right around 70% of what they should have been. They dropped me to 1000iu/ wk for all of month 2. I went in 1 month later and was back to normal after 2 months of HCG therapy. They dropped me down to 500iu/ wk just in case my body wouldn't be able to sustain natural testosterone production by itself since it had nly been makign it for 2 months now. After 5 months of HCG treatments my girl finally got pregnant. So here's what I know, at least for me, from now on, I'm only running it post cycle long after I would normally think my body was back to normal(sya start around days 60-75). I don't know if it's b/c of the dosages or length that I was running the compounds I was, but it took almost 3 months after my last injection before I could physically notice a crash in my natural test production. I've read a number of different opinions and advice from people on a number of different forums and they are all different. I think they is a lot of solid info out there about the actual AAS themselves, but little solid information about PCT and things of that nature. Part of the problem is that you can't do a real world study on any of this in a controlled environment. So alot of the info we have is all speculation. Just some food for thought.
Thanks bro ill keep all that in mind congrats on the baby on the way.
My sources have them in 5000 IU amps.
I think if you search my name youll find some info - I broke down how to dilute a amp with water.

24 weeks 250 IU x2 a week = 500 IU a week ( some do 1000 IU a week )
24 x 500 IU = 12000IU so that's 3 x 5000 IU amps

1 5000 IU amp diluted with 5 ml of bacteriostatic water = 1000IU per CC
half cc = 500 IU 1/4CC = 250 Iu

Yes, you will want to re fridge it right after its mixed. HCG a bit more picky when it comes to storage temps, And degrades quicker then IGF - if its around fridge temps - you will be ok for about 50-60 days.

http://board1.mantisforums.com/upload/showthread.php?t=49133

gluck
Yeah i remember that thread now that you said that hell ic ommented on your explanation lol been a long week. I think i can pull the fridge thing off ill just hide it behind some stuff lol. You use slin pins correct? and subcutaneously? only time i ever even researched the stuff was over 2 years ago and i guess it slipped my mind since then. thanks for all the help/advice.
 
Thanks bro ill keep all that in mind congrats on the baby on the way.

Yeah i remember that thread now that you said that hell ic ommented on your explanation lol been a long week. I think i can pull the fridge thing off ill just hide it behind some stuff lol. You use slin pins correct? and subcutaneously? only time i ever even researched the stuff was over 2 years ago and i guess it slipped my mind since then. thanks for all the help/advice.

Yea its only been a week!

No I fire that sucker into MUSCLE. Infact I fired it in there right beside my oil and hit a large muscle group. No issues what so ever.
A little bit tricky though when the oil and water mix up, So I sucked my oils first then went into the HCG and grabbed what ever I needed.

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