Stack that can keep you hard with no bloating and optimal gains??

The Dude

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My last run with 3g of test and 60mcg of IGF was awesome but my face was horrible as was the distention in my belly. I'm loving the attention I'm getting on this bridge although I would still like my face to be a little more defined. Anyone have any suggestions as to what I could use both AAS and ancillarys to allow near maximum muscle accrual and a lean face?? I know its asking a lot, but the face is very important during summer time.
 
You should get some nolva-bloat it will kill the water u have now then use antiestro
 
run no more than 500mg test a wk and hit up some higher dose tren and winny with the no bloat.
 
You should get some nolva-bloat it will kill the water u have now then use antiestro

I've been on the Aqua Dex and that has worked very well. Do you think the Nolva will help even more with the face?

And no, no anti E's at all on my last one.
 
run no more than 500mg test a wk and hit up some higher dose tren and winny with the no bloat.

Winstrol makes me nervous, but I have 40ml of it. Maybe 500 of test, Aqua dex, Nolva, 100mg a day of tren and winstrol? I also have some Deca and EQ. Maybe some IGF to help with joint issues. I've gotten addicted to the attention I'm getting from girls and don't want to go back to the fat bloated off season look.
 
What do you think of this
1g of test
.5 ED arimidex
100mg EOD of tren
50mg of winstrol ED
Maybe 500 of Deca or NPP
60mcg of IGF ED
10 weeks. Sounds pretty fun or would the tren and winstrol be redundant?
 
What do you think of this
1g of test
.5 ED arimidex
100mg EOD of tren
50mg of winstrol ED
Maybe 500 of Deca or NPP
60mcg of IGF ED
10 weeks. Sounds pretty fun or would the tren and winstrol be redundant?

100mg EOD tren
100mg EOD NPP

everything else the same, that is a sexy-ass cycle. make sure you have some aromasin, pramipexole, letro, and bromo on hand.
 
100mg EOD tren
100mg EOD NPP

everything else the same, that is a sexy-ass cycle. make sure you have some aromasin, pramipexole, letro, and bromo on hand.

Use the winstrol or no?? I like arimidex and maybe Nolva. I don't get sides from 19-nors or hair loss and letro is too strong for me. I don't get gyno either... even at 3 grams of test with no anti E. Letro really dries me out. Usually only use it 1 week precontest. I'm not sure what bromo or pramipexole are??
 
you want less water weight ...

use test prop at 100-200mg EOD (less bloat with 100mg)
tren ace at 50-100mg EOD
masteron at 100mg EOD
arimadex .5 me EOD to start (maybe even some proviron)
 
you want less water weight ...

use test prop at 100-200mg EOD (less bloat with 100mg)
tren ace at 50-100mg EOD
masteron at 100mg EOD
arimadex .5 me EOD to start (maybe even some proviron)

Is that enough to get maximum lean tissue gains?? That's very little AAS. I want to stay tight and hard, but if I have to have a little water weight to still make gains I'm OK with it. I wasa thinking low on the test and aromatizing compounds and very high on the anabolics.
 
ive never noticed masteron more effective at higher dosages than 100mg eod. ive never noticed winny more effective at dosages over 75mg ed. tren you can run away with. some test base and your done.
 
Aromasin drops water off me better then anything. Nolva doesnt is pretty much for gyno only, it is a SERM Acually when using nolva estrogen actually rises more so then before it was used. Adex just doesnt do it for me aromasin ill never run a cycle without.
 
Aromasin drops water off me better then anything. Nolva doesnt is pretty much for gyno only, it is a SERM Acually when using nolva estrogen actually rises more so then before it was used. Adex just doesnt do it for me aromasin ill never run a cycle without.
Ok, some more newb type questions... isn't nolva an anti-e? Dude told me the other day that it would increase estrogen, too... but isn't that what we're trying to avoid, so we don't get the gyno?
 
Is that enough to get maximum lean tissue gains?? That's very little AAS. I want to stay tight and hard, but if I have to have a little water weight to still make gains I'm OK with it. I wasa thinking low on the test and aromatizing compounds and very high on the anabolics.

I think with the right diet, and hard intense training, you would build some good lean tissue, and have pretty good strengh gains...Just train like your getting ready for a show...Super intense, with good diet....
 
Ok, some more newb type questions... isn't nolva an anti-e? Dude told me the other day that it would increase estrogen, too... but isn't that what we're trying to avoid, so we don't get the gyno?

Yeah dude is correct as he normally is. Nolva is a SERM selective estrogen receptor modulator there are a couple types of serms one for bone one for uteran or something like that cant remember. It works by occupying the space in the breast tissue so that the estrogen cant get in there and cause problems or gyno. Nolva does nothing to lower actual estrogen though just in the breast tissue, and it also raises testtosterone a small amount therefore causing a rise in estrogen in the body but since it cant on its own keep the estrogen down you still get a rise.
AI's actually bind with the aromatizing enzyme therefore not allowing the test to convert into estrogen, it cannot surpress it completely but enough to keep the levels within the normal ranges. Aromasin and Adex are the most common, im a big fan of aromasin its a suicidal steroidal inhibitor and it will not have any rebound estrogen problems like adex might, in laymens terms think of it as aromasin stops the aromatize enzyme at its source and shuts it down permanently but adex only stops it temporarily, hopefully that makes sense. Its past my bed time and i just blazed through that if you need anymore clarification or any other questions just pm me ill get back at ya tomorrow.
 
I've got blood work with the Doc again on Mon. So I'll see what he can offer me. I get 2 bottles of cyp a month now so since I've been doing the bridge I've got quite a few along with some sustaplex and several other things. I don't have Masteron or NPP, so I'll have to work on those. Still throwing around ideas. I've got to figure out something to do with this Deca, maybe I can trade with a buddy or something. Maybe the Doc will switch me over to Prop too.
 
Yeah dude is correct as he normally is. Nolva is a SERM selective estrogen receptor modulator there are a couple types of serms one for bone one for uteran or something like that cant remember. It works by occupying the space in the breast tissue so that the estrogen cant get in there and cause problems or gyno. Nolva does nothing to lower actual estrogen though just in the breast tissue, and it also raises testtosterone a small amount therefore causing a rise in estrogen in the body but since it cant on its own keep the estrogen down you still get a rise.
AI's actually bind with the aromatizing enzyme therefore not allowing the test to convert into estrogen, it cannot surpress it completely but enough to keep the levels within the normal ranges. Aromasin and Adex are the most common, im a big fan of aromasin its a suicidal steroidal inhibitor and it will not have any rebound estrogen problems like adex might, in laymens terms think of it as aromasin stops the aromatize enzyme at its source and shuts it down permanently but adex only stops it temporarily, hopefully that makes sense. Its past my bed time and i just blazed through that if you need anymore clarification or any other questions just pm me ill get back at ya tomorrow.
Ok, I think I'm tracking... thank you.
 
I've been on the Aqua Dex and that has worked very well. Do you think the Nolva will help even more with the face?

And no, no anti E's at all on my last one.

sorry for delayed response, i missed this one, anyhow yes the nolva-bloat will kill current water or bloat that ur already experiencing, where as the anti-e and aqua-dex are to prevent the bloat from happening all together by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen, so another words 2 are for preventitive measure and the other (nolva-bloat) is to erradicate current bloat, or gyno issue
 
sorry for delayed response, i missed this one, anyhow yes the nolva-bloat will kill current water or bloat that ur already experiencing, where as the anti-e and aqua-dex are to prevent the bloat from happening all together by preventing the aromatization of testosterone to estrogen, so another words 2 are for preventitive measure and the other (nolva-bloat) is to erradicate current bloat, or gyno issue
That's easy enough to understand... good breakin it down, bro.
 
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