Chris250
MuscleChemistry Registered Member
(I stole this from PM, its a series of article written by one of the members...they are good articles about gear use, and his experiance...I will try to copy and past the rest of them for MC)
My lessons from 11 yrs of gear: Last one!
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This is the last of my planned articles. Apologies for taking so long, but landed a consulting gig that took more time than expected.
Request: it seems that my first two threads, and thus the links to all my other threads, have gone missing. Unfortunately, I didn't save my own writings, so if anyone has a copy of the first two articles, I'd love to have a copy for my archives. I asked a mod about it, and if he finds them I will repost them if allowed. Thanks guys!
Part 11: From Human Grade to Home Brew, aka, "Julia Child Style"
Questions come up on this board and others all the time: what should I use – Human Grade (“HG”)? Underground Labs (“UGL”)? Should I made my own (“homebrew”)? Here is my take on that situation, as well as some general thoughts on sponsors, legal risks, etc.
Human Grade - Obviously the best...if you can GET it. When I talk HG, it is a script from your doctor or life extension guy or however else you have finagled yourself a prescription. This is made by pharmaceutical companies, the raw ingredients are tests and pure, it is stored properly, it is not expired, the oils are metal/bacteria free, etc. Perfect.
Problem is that much of the “HG” stuff you buy online is not really HG. I’m sure some of the Karachi or Omnadren or other international amps you can buy are potentially HG. But as one source told me long ago – do you think that Scherring or its main distributors are really letting out tens of thousands of amps out the back door year after year without anyone noticing in an audit? For 8 years all I ever used was omnas and the occasional Cido or Karachi. So I definitely bought into the “amps are cleaner” thing. True HG? I dunno. And don’t think they can’t be counterfeited. As I wrote before, I once bought 100 Cidos for a decent buck from a well-known source and they were bunk.
Underground Labs -- What to say? They are much cheaper. Another big benefit if you live in the USA is that they typically ship domestically, so you eliminate seizure risk. Until I got laid off, I never bothered with “the cheap stuff”, but then the monetary situation changed and I had to make a choice. Went with some well-vetted and known sponsors and have not been disappointed. You occasionally see a bust and then photos of the bath-tub type operation some guy had running. You know, the raw powders stacked on top of the toilet, syringes laying in the floor, using same oil they cooked their chicken in the night before, etc. But some of these UGL are big business, and they know the cleaner and more effective their stuff is, the more money they will make. So there are two sides to the story. I think if you limit yourself to "labs" that have been around a while and have gotten steady reviews, you will limit your risks quite a bit.
Home Brews -- Cheapest and you know what goes into the product. What's not to love? Well, my biggest fear when it comes to home brewing is contamination of the raw powder. Well, that, and an envelope of powder getting snagged by customs. [Or my wife seeing what I've done to the kitchen with vials, syringes, boiling pots, and so forth!] But back to the contamination: one of the oldest sponsors on this board (won’t name him, as the whole issue was controversial because other sponsors claimed he was trying to knock down his competitors) showed a series of tests where heavy metals like arsenic and other nasties were showing up in the powders as well as the finished products. Sure, they contained the active ingredient, but throw in some poisons and bacteria on top of it? Real eye opener, because I never gave that much thought. I just cared if it was gear or not, and being underdosed was my biggest concern. But now I know that you have to worry about what is coming along for the ride with that gear you inject… Bill Llewellyn has also done a lot of testing of UGL gear and shown how bacteria levels were off the charts for some, and a lot of guys substitute one chemical for another (Eq for deca, etc).
If you have a good powder source, you can’t beat the prices. You can make 10ml amps of Test Cyp for like $2 or less. Ridiculous…! And the conversions are easy. Google “BasskillerOnline” and you’ll find all the recipes you need. Plus, if you are into tren, making your own from Finaplex tabs (which I’ve bought off Amazon before. How convenient…) ensures that you aren’t getting something else and it is very cost effective. Yes, they don't make kits anymore, but the "magic solution" is well known and posted all over the place. Just buy the parts of the kit yourself.
Obviously, powders is the most cost effective thing going, but you also run risk of controlled delivery. It’s one thing to get caught getting 50 amps of omnas (250mg x 50) than it is getting 100 grams of a powder. Not only in this “terrorist age” is powder something to freak out about for authorities, but if they are even semi-smart (and a lot of my LEO friends are plenty smart!) then they do the calculation… “Let’s see… 100 grams of powder = 10,000mg. At 250mg per dose/amp, this powder is the same as you ordering 400 amps!” And that is where you get into trouble as it no longer looks like personal use...
Each state is different with its laws about quantity, punishments, etc. I’m not a lawyer, but I suggest you buy or find a copy of “Legal Muscle” by Rick Collins and read it over. It’s just plain great advice – how to deal with getting arrested, various laws in each state, etc. Obviously, the most important thing is not to say anything. And here is a tip I picked up from one of my narcotic detective friends: NEVER say it isn’t yours!!! If you say it is yours (Stupid -- you shouldn't be talking, rememebr? Now you are admitting guilt), that is personal use if the amount isn’t large. But if you say it isn’t yours…. That means you are distributing it to others or for others. That’s dealing. So just don’t say anything. Period.
Misc thoughts:
New Sponsors/suppliers -- my theory had usually been counter to what others do: most people wait until good feedback comes back, hoping to dodge the occasional scammer. But put yourself in the shoes of a fraud: how would you drum up the most business? By sending out fakes to your customers right off the bat and stealing money? Absolutely not. I would send out the most potent shit I could find, deliver quickly, and build a rep. Then when the big orders roll in, you water your shit down or take the money and disappear. So historically, whenever I needed a new sponsor (which wasn’t often), I’d be among the first to jumo on a new guy! Just my .02
"Exotic" gear -- I go with simpler is better. You never know what is in your stuff, whether UG or powder. So simpler is better. Test Cyp is pretty straight forward. Been made for decades, there is a big demand for it, etc. But move up the scale. Even simple Test blends? Well, now you are talking 3-4 different tests, and what are their weights, are the powders dosed properly, mixed correctly? Odds are you a paying a premium for pretty much plain ol Cyp or Enth. And then trendy things like T-bol? I recently had a PM conversation about this. Lots of guys describe T-bol as "Dbol light". So if I was a morally neutral supplier ( ) I'd simply sell 5mg dbol as 10mg t-bol. You take the supposed 60mg of Tbol and think, wow, they are right, this tbol feels like 30mg of dbol! And of course you paid a lot more for the tbol.
I'm not saying this is the case, but look how much Anavar is supposedly floating around. Real anavar was usually one of the hardest things for me to come by over the years, and with its high price, it gives the most opportunity for suppliers to cheat to make huge profits. Now it's everywhere. Hmm.... I'm not saying it's all fake, but how many people are running real lab assays on this stuff?
Amps -- I’ve read stories about amps – that people end up with microscopic glass shards in their livers from cracking open the amps. I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know any doctors from Europe where amps are much more common than the US (where multi-use vials are the standard), so I have no-one to ask. Regardless, if true, then my liver is screwed, as I used omnas almost exclusively for 8 years, cracking open hundreds and hundreds of those things. I’m thinking this is an urban myth until I see more proof.
Okay, that's it. Eleventh and last thread. (Well,9th until I can find the first two!) Hope you took away something from all this, and I know I picked up a few new tricks and lessons as well from the discussions we've had!
My lessons from 11 yrs of gear: Last one!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This is the last of my planned articles. Apologies for taking so long, but landed a consulting gig that took more time than expected.
Request: it seems that my first two threads, and thus the links to all my other threads, have gone missing. Unfortunately, I didn't save my own writings, so if anyone has a copy of the first two articles, I'd love to have a copy for my archives. I asked a mod about it, and if he finds them I will repost them if allowed. Thanks guys!
Part 11: From Human Grade to Home Brew, aka, "Julia Child Style"
Questions come up on this board and others all the time: what should I use – Human Grade (“HG”)? Underground Labs (“UGL”)? Should I made my own (“homebrew”)? Here is my take on that situation, as well as some general thoughts on sponsors, legal risks, etc.
Human Grade - Obviously the best...if you can GET it. When I talk HG, it is a script from your doctor or life extension guy or however else you have finagled yourself a prescription. This is made by pharmaceutical companies, the raw ingredients are tests and pure, it is stored properly, it is not expired, the oils are metal/bacteria free, etc. Perfect.
Problem is that much of the “HG” stuff you buy online is not really HG. I’m sure some of the Karachi or Omnadren or other international amps you can buy are potentially HG. But as one source told me long ago – do you think that Scherring or its main distributors are really letting out tens of thousands of amps out the back door year after year without anyone noticing in an audit? For 8 years all I ever used was omnas and the occasional Cido or Karachi. So I definitely bought into the “amps are cleaner” thing. True HG? I dunno. And don’t think they can’t be counterfeited. As I wrote before, I once bought 100 Cidos for a decent buck from a well-known source and they were bunk.
Underground Labs -- What to say? They are much cheaper. Another big benefit if you live in the USA is that they typically ship domestically, so you eliminate seizure risk. Until I got laid off, I never bothered with “the cheap stuff”, but then the monetary situation changed and I had to make a choice. Went with some well-vetted and known sponsors and have not been disappointed. You occasionally see a bust and then photos of the bath-tub type operation some guy had running. You know, the raw powders stacked on top of the toilet, syringes laying in the floor, using same oil they cooked their chicken in the night before, etc. But some of these UGL are big business, and they know the cleaner and more effective their stuff is, the more money they will make. So there are two sides to the story. I think if you limit yourself to "labs" that have been around a while and have gotten steady reviews, you will limit your risks quite a bit.
Home Brews -- Cheapest and you know what goes into the product. What's not to love? Well, my biggest fear when it comes to home brewing is contamination of the raw powder. Well, that, and an envelope of powder getting snagged by customs. [Or my wife seeing what I've done to the kitchen with vials, syringes, boiling pots, and so forth!] But back to the contamination: one of the oldest sponsors on this board (won’t name him, as the whole issue was controversial because other sponsors claimed he was trying to knock down his competitors) showed a series of tests where heavy metals like arsenic and other nasties were showing up in the powders as well as the finished products. Sure, they contained the active ingredient, but throw in some poisons and bacteria on top of it? Real eye opener, because I never gave that much thought. I just cared if it was gear or not, and being underdosed was my biggest concern. But now I know that you have to worry about what is coming along for the ride with that gear you inject… Bill Llewellyn has also done a lot of testing of UGL gear and shown how bacteria levels were off the charts for some, and a lot of guys substitute one chemical for another (Eq for deca, etc).
If you have a good powder source, you can’t beat the prices. You can make 10ml amps of Test Cyp for like $2 or less. Ridiculous…! And the conversions are easy. Google “BasskillerOnline” and you’ll find all the recipes you need. Plus, if you are into tren, making your own from Finaplex tabs (which I’ve bought off Amazon before. How convenient…) ensures that you aren’t getting something else and it is very cost effective. Yes, they don't make kits anymore, but the "magic solution" is well known and posted all over the place. Just buy the parts of the kit yourself.
Obviously, powders is the most cost effective thing going, but you also run risk of controlled delivery. It’s one thing to get caught getting 50 amps of omnas (250mg x 50) than it is getting 100 grams of a powder. Not only in this “terrorist age” is powder something to freak out about for authorities, but if they are even semi-smart (and a lot of my LEO friends are plenty smart!) then they do the calculation… “Let’s see… 100 grams of powder = 10,000mg. At 250mg per dose/amp, this powder is the same as you ordering 400 amps!” And that is where you get into trouble as it no longer looks like personal use...
Each state is different with its laws about quantity, punishments, etc. I’m not a lawyer, but I suggest you buy or find a copy of “Legal Muscle” by Rick Collins and read it over. It’s just plain great advice – how to deal with getting arrested, various laws in each state, etc. Obviously, the most important thing is not to say anything. And here is a tip I picked up from one of my narcotic detective friends: NEVER say it isn’t yours!!! If you say it is yours (Stupid -- you shouldn't be talking, rememebr? Now you are admitting guilt), that is personal use if the amount isn’t large. But if you say it isn’t yours…. That means you are distributing it to others or for others. That’s dealing. So just don’t say anything. Period.
Misc thoughts:
New Sponsors/suppliers -- my theory had usually been counter to what others do: most people wait until good feedback comes back, hoping to dodge the occasional scammer. But put yourself in the shoes of a fraud: how would you drum up the most business? By sending out fakes to your customers right off the bat and stealing money? Absolutely not. I would send out the most potent shit I could find, deliver quickly, and build a rep. Then when the big orders roll in, you water your shit down or take the money and disappear. So historically, whenever I needed a new sponsor (which wasn’t often), I’d be among the first to jumo on a new guy! Just my .02
"Exotic" gear -- I go with simpler is better. You never know what is in your stuff, whether UG or powder. So simpler is better. Test Cyp is pretty straight forward. Been made for decades, there is a big demand for it, etc. But move up the scale. Even simple Test blends? Well, now you are talking 3-4 different tests, and what are their weights, are the powders dosed properly, mixed correctly? Odds are you a paying a premium for pretty much plain ol Cyp or Enth. And then trendy things like T-bol? I recently had a PM conversation about this. Lots of guys describe T-bol as "Dbol light". So if I was a morally neutral supplier ( ) I'd simply sell 5mg dbol as 10mg t-bol. You take the supposed 60mg of Tbol and think, wow, they are right, this tbol feels like 30mg of dbol! And of course you paid a lot more for the tbol.
I'm not saying this is the case, but look how much Anavar is supposedly floating around. Real anavar was usually one of the hardest things for me to come by over the years, and with its high price, it gives the most opportunity for suppliers to cheat to make huge profits. Now it's everywhere. Hmm.... I'm not saying it's all fake, but how many people are running real lab assays on this stuff?
Amps -- I’ve read stories about amps – that people end up with microscopic glass shards in their livers from cracking open the amps. I’m not a doctor, and I don’t know any doctors from Europe where amps are much more common than the US (where multi-use vials are the standard), so I have no-one to ask. Regardless, if true, then my liver is screwed, as I used omnas almost exclusively for 8 years, cracking open hundreds and hundreds of those things. I’m thinking this is an urban myth until I see more proof.
Okay, that's it. Eleventh and last thread. (Well,9th until I can find the first two!) Hope you took away something from all this, and I know I picked up a few new tricks and lessons as well from the discussions we've had!
