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Anabolic Threshold! - YouTube
Seen this video last nigh i wanna hear some input from vets or anyone that would like to chime in on this really surprised me
 
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I agree. I know Jerry and he knows his shit.

I've done spaced out or once a week stuff and both work. I mostly looked at the convenience of having to be able to mix my decca/eq with my test.
 
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Maybe that's why arnold just did his dbol preworkout. This theory would also suggest that pulsing would work very well.

Hopefully others will chime in. Let's talk more about this.
 
I can attest to the dianabol example, as i never dosed it throughout the day, i would eat a handful of pills prior to going to the gym and worked great,lol. As for his oxymoronic "Even Wave" theory, sure why not! lol

I like the guy so for what its worth i dont think he is full of shit. And I read about this years ago, though i stuck to my same schedule and never tried this out, again other then the dianabol , but i just did it that way cause i was young, and thought a handful of pink thais before the gym worked great lol
 
I've always used it the exact way he's explaining, because when I started I was in Germany, training at a German gym, and thats how they were doing their dosing. And I did Dbol all in the am, spike it high. I've never changed my ways, as It works well for myself.
I take from this doing a full dose the start of every week to be more beneficial than small doses through-out the week. I've always stuck to a once a week dosage, but tend to run long esters also.
 
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Makes sense. I always did it this way in the beginning as it seemed natural to me. With HRT however, the docs want to see stable blood levels so at some point a couple of years I stopped doing it like that. I'll definitely be doing it again.
 
Oh and did he really cock that little pee shooter at the end lol, those things are only good for killing birds not real animals lol
 
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I can attest to the dianabol example, as i never dosed it throughout the day, i would eat a handful of pills prior to going to the gym and worked great,lol. As for his oxymoronic "Even Wave" theory, sure why not! lol

I like the guy so for what its worth i dont think he is full of shit. And I read about this years ago, though i stuck to my same schedule and never tried this out, again other then the dianabol , but i just did it that way cause i was young, and thought a handful of pink thais before the gym worked great lol
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Dang it im barely finding this out lol as im almost done with the dbol part of my cycle but i guess i could still switch since im using long estesrs

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I've always used it the exact way he's explaining, because when I started I was in Germany, training at a German gym, and thats how they were doing their dosing. And I did Dbol all in the am, spike it high. I've never changed my ways, as It works well for myself.
I take from this doing a full dose the start of every week to be more beneficial than small doses through-out the week. I've always stuck to a once a week dosage, but tend to run long esters also.
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awesome to hear from everyone
 
I didn't listen to the entire thing. 50% of my job at the hospital is dosing and kinetics,,,finding the peaks and troughs of drug levels in patients to get the best results. There is no "anabolic threshold". Im not a guru by anymeans esp with these compounds. Im an expert of the drugs they use in the hospital setting. Please don't take this as cocky. Ok, as for anabolics or antibiotics or what have you,,, a drug is a drug. No different than alcohol. Here is the best explanation for "constant gains" on any given drug and I think he is attempting to explain a "threshold" and its really just getting the drug above a trough. For any drug to work, it must get to a certain level in the blood, which means get past the liver, get past any binding to proteins in the blood, etc... For some this can be vastly different. Lets say that the trough is 10 and the peak is 20. Keep it easy sqeezy. For a drug to have the max benefit, the blood level must be above 10,,,now above 20, the peak just means that you are wasting it and you get more side affects. You get nothing more past 10. All drugs have different troug levels and again, the reason we monitor these blood levels daily is to find the right dosage for each person. Problem with anabolics is the bro-science, you are left finding the "sweet-spot" bc there are no labs to do blood levels to find YOUR trough. You gotta play with it and go by feel. Another example is alcohol,,,I drink 2 beers and boom, Im feeling good and I can sip the rest of the night. My friend has to drink about 6 beers to get the same feeling. My trough is much lower for alcohol. Yes tolerance comes into play and that's a different discussion. Anyway, I thru my 2 cents in. Hope it came across good an not cocky or putting down the other guy. I hate when people act like they know it all. I do NOT. I just know drugs in general !!! Thanks guys
 
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I didn't listen to the entire thing. 50% of my job at the hospital is dosing and kinetics,,,finding the peaks and troughs of drug levels in patients to get the best results. There is no "anabolic threshold". Im not a guru by anymeans esp with these compounds. Im an expert of the drugs they use in the hospital setting. Please don't take this as cocky. Ok, as for anabolics or antibiotics or what have you,,, a drug is a drug. No different than alcohol. Here is the best explanation for "constant gains" on any given drug and I think he is attempting to explain a "threshold" and its really just getting the drug above a trough. For any drug to work, it must get to a certain level in the blood, which means get past the liver, get past any binding to proteins in the blood, etc... For some this can be vastly different. Lets say that the trough is 10 and the peak is 20. Keep it easy sqeezy. For a drug to have the max benefit, the blood level must be above 10,,,now above 20, the peak just means that you are wasting it and you get more side affects. You get nothing more past 10. All drugs have different troug levels and again, the reason we monitor these blood levels daily is to find the right dosage for each person. Problem with anabolics is the bro-science, you are left finding the "sweet-spot" bc there are no labs to do blood levels to find YOUR trough. You gotta play with it and go by feel. Another example is alcohol,,,I drink 2 beers and boom, Im feeling good and I can sip the rest of the night. My friend has to drink about 6 beers to get the same feeling. My trough is much lower for alcohol. Yes tolerance comes into play and that's a different discussion. Anyway, I thru my 2 cents in. Hope it came across good an not cocky or putting down the other guy. I hate when people act like they know it all. I do NOT. I just know drugs in general !!! Thanks guys
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I think he was only trying to explain in more layman's terms that the drug level you're referring to is the "threshold." In your example, I don't think that anything above "20" would be wasted. What Jerry is getting at is that the higher the peak of an anabolic steroid, the more is left over at the time of half-life and more is free/unbound to do the job we want it to do. If we allow the level to fall back to the trough, we lose a lot of the anabolic effect because we are at the point where it gets bound. Your example is perfect sense when we're talking other drugs and in the case of maintaining stable levels for HRT/TRT. For bodybuilding purposes, we want a higher peak because the more that is free and unbound, the more we build muscle.
 
Which this is another example that regulations need to get their head out of their asses and let there be studies on this. You have doctors and politicians saying they kill but there is no proof at all that there is any link. The people actually taking gear know more than any MD does and can ever know. Jerry has a video explaining an example of a guy he trained that now needs a liver transplant but not from any gear because the guy was natty but would pop ibuprofen.
 
Big Z, "the more is left over at the time of half-life and more is free/unbound to do the job we want it to do". I understand your thought but its not correct, respectfully. Drugs can have different trough/peaks and ceilings. The reason is this,,,,If someone has a tissue infection, I only want a trough of 10 and I would dose the drug accordingly to resolve the soft tissue infection and nothing more, this helps prevent side effects, organ damage and drug resistance and tolerance issues should they need it again. Same applies with anabolics. You use more for a Bulk or you guys use blast or cruise words. As for the "more left to do the job,,,ie unbound"". That's non-sense if the guy said that. There are so many different variables when it comes to this class of drugs,,,that its impossible to target any doses unless you have a ton of expierance. Everyones liver works differently, ie, mine might have more enzymes and do a better job of removing the drug than yours. Maybe Im taking antihistamines or other drugs that saturate the liver enzymes so therefore more drug gets thru and utilized. There are literally dozens of different mechanisims going on in your body that change the effect of the drug on your body. Using the half-life is about all you got in this field at this time. What works for YOU may not work for others,,which is the same reason why there are 20 different machines for bench press. I guess all this rambling is just me saying that you should keep the drug level above the trough level for the purpose (bulk/cruis) and no more. Your justing wasting it if you do and hurting your liver/kidney/heart and more. Anyway, I like the thread, I like to learn and hopefully teach some also bc you guys have been awesome to me.
 
I don't believe the second part of this theory/idea I don't think that it spills over and that if you take 10,000g of test you'll be better off, I think everyone has different levels of drug threshold, and you need to play around with the dosages to see what works best for you. Every cycle is really a suggestion of what works on a basic level for 90% of the people 90% of the time, but it's up to you to hit that 100% by tailoring to your own body's needs.
 
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Big Z, "the more is left over at the time of half-life and more is free/unbound to do the job we want it to do". I understand your thought but its not correct, respectfully. Drugs can have different trough/peaks and ceilings. The reason is this,,,,If someone has a tissue infection, I only want a trough of 10 and I would dose the drug accordingly to resolve the soft tissue infection and nothing more, this helps prevent side effects, organ damage and drug resistance and tolerance issues should they need it again. Same applies with anabolics. You use more for a Bulk or you guys use blast or cruise words. As for the "more left to do the job,,,ie unbound"". That's non-sense if the guy said that. There are so many different variables when it comes to this class of drugs,,,that its impossible to target any doses unless you have a ton of expierance. Everyones liver works differently, ie, mine might have more enzymes and do a better job of removing the drug than yours. Maybe Im taking antihistamines or other drugs that saturate the liver enzymes so therefore more drug gets thru and utilized. There are literally dozens of different mechanisims going on in your body that change the effect of the drug on your body. Using the half-life is about all you got in this field at this time. What works for YOU may not work for others,,which is the same reason why there are 20 different machines for bench press. I guess all this rambling is just me saying that you should keep the drug level above the trough level for the purpose (bulk/cruis) and no more. Your justing wasting it if you do and hurting your liver/kidney/heart and more. Anyway, I like the thread, I like to learn and hopefully teach some also bc you guys have been awesome to me.
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No problem, buddy, I completely understand what you're saying. I was just trying to translate what Jerry said. We're all here to learn from each other, and your experience is definitely valued.

Everyone's system will be different, no doubt. I suppose there would be a bell curve statistically speaking of where that "threshold" would be for anyone as an average that could help us make a determination. We just have to figure out what gets us above that threshold whatever it might be and keep it there.
 
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