Marathon Steroid Cycles-Newbies Part 1

Buffalo

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Marathon Cycle

by: Buffalo


I never come across much talk about cycles in regards to marathon cycles. The only thing you read is people asking for recommendations for cycles for 8 weeks or 10 weeks for first timers. Maybe after that we’ll see the same person come back and want to do a 12 week cycle. I’m sorry but Im in the “why are you even doing gear?” pool group on this one. Im not knocking on anyone but I’m not sure if it is a generation thing of a bucket list to say, yeah I’ve done it or YOLO baby let me be the douche bag that destroys himself with no reward.

This is just my opinion from experience, if and when you decide to take that first cycle you should just stay on. Luckily I’ve (knock on wood) have never had real negative side effects. Tren sweats, yes! Issues with cholesterol, no. Gyno, never (and there were times were I wasn’t taking any aromatize inhibitors for weeks). Acne, never. Depression, never. Mood swings, mostly I think it was from dieting more than gear. Hair loss, nope. Acne, nada. I think in the most part most guys handle sides well and do plan accordingly. We all have that one cycle of feeling like crap, poor gear or an illness set in and brought negative side-effects.

Then you have that one person who isn’t even finished with his or her cycle and they have everything bad going for them. Either it was piss poor planning on that persons fault or they are just not meant to be on gear. The former can be prevented but the latter is a recipe for disaster. The latter will likely be on a board begging for help and he will receive 20 different responses; 5 responses may be from someone who has dealt with the issues or actually has experience. The other 15 are bro’s who heard from a friend or read a post about a friend of a friend and told them to do x,y and z. So now the latter will find some control over the problem but after being miserable with no reward. When I mean no reward, what did he get out of it? He wasn’t doing a show or making gains and sure as hell wasn’t pulling in pussy because his noodle was in no mood to get into anything.

So now let me get to my point of marathon cycling finally!

I will say this once, I have yet to ever (PROOF) that your body endocrine system returns to normal after use of steroids. I still have access to my health records from years ago and my tests never came back to (I hear this shit a lot) “baseline.” The times I always felt like shit while on gear was when I was in Post Cycle Therapy/Treatment. Some days I felt like bashing my head in the wall others I was watching fucking Golden Girls. You are coming off of a roller coaster ride, even with Clomid, Nolvadex, Toremifine, HCG (I”ll get to this in Part 2) or whatever method you use you will come down, some handle it better than others. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not against PCT. I’m against what people claim it does, “bringing you back to normal.” HCG or not.
If anyone asks me about using, I will tell them to be prepared to always be “on.”

Tomorrow I will post logs from my uses of gear in marathon form and tell you what has worked for ME.
 
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yeah i don't know that i would suggest staying on your first cycle forever lol, time off is good for the body in my opinion and experience, and i was on for years straight and i mean YEARS ,lol, came off for over a year or so and got all my levels back to normal, and had kids, which was the reason behind my coming off and yeah i was tested by fertility doctor repeatedly and all my natural came back, it just took forever, well seemed like forever, but hcg helped a lot,

truth be told though, i couldn't wait to get back on lol, anyhow back to the point, theirs loads of new evidence now that once you juice and add the muscle, that its yours forever, even after you stop juicing and i just read a great article on muscle cell nuclei remaining in the thousands even after steroids, so yeah i would never recommend to someone to stay on long term and not take breaks,

and i am also a firm believer that you can't get to be freaky unless you stay on long term, so yeah that flies in the face of what i just stated above about how ya need breaks, but not everyone can get to freaky even if they stay on long term, lol, so for the guys who compete or know they have the genetics to get huge , its usually those guys who stay on long term, no point in your average joe staying on long trm in my opinion.

anyhow, thats all my opinion! what the fuck do i know and who am i to tell anyone shit! lol
 
I agree, Presser on the point of wanting to get big you have to stay on. I wrote that based on that exact experience. I would come off, lose a few pounds but I would go through the roller coaster of ups and downs. I'll admit, mostly my mood was up but after that 6 week'ish mark. Who knows really how long to PCT anyway. I know guys who don't PCT at all and some who throw everything in the PCT arsenal and be a wreck. there is no evidence, of what I have ever seen on what, how, and duration of PCT. 4 weeks.......that's all that someone wrote and everyone started their own way of coming off.

I think there are two types of people who take gear; those who want to be bigger, faster and stronger, non competitively; and those who want to be bigger, faster, stronger, competitively. If someone wants to take gear to get dates and women, bro you have bigger issues than being smaller because we all have that one friend who is uglier than sin but always pulled more pussy.

Long term use is only my opinion because why always take 2 steps forward and 1 step back?

don't misconstrue marathon use to taking tren, dbol and decca 365 days a year. Anyone who has ever paid attention to posts I've made, I'm totally against that. I'm against high dosages too.
 
I HATE PCT! I'm going to try HMG, HCG & Tripto & see if that recoverys me next cycle.

honestly, staying on and upping my igf-1 lr3 dose has helped me between cycles, tremendously! My avatar is a photo of me off all gear for about 2 months, and purely using igf-1 lr3 as a bridge. just my thoughts lol
 
I have been on since dec 15 and feel better now than I ever have but I really dont get sides that I know of I have never had my nuts draw up like raisins or hair loss from tren also nite sweats are very mild and I found that running 50 mg every day versus every other works better. But when i use tren I only stay 4 weeks or less. I also switch compounds and run low doses
 
I have been on since dec 15 and feel better now than I ever have but I really dont get sides that I know of I have never had my nuts draw up like raisins or hair loss from tren also nite sweats are very mild and I found that running 50 mg every day versus every other works better. But when i use tren I only stay 4 weeks or less. I also switch compounds and run low doses

well your a lucky man if you haven't gotten any sides at all……YET lol
 
I have been on since dec 15 and feel better now than I ever have but I really dont get sides that I know of I have never had my nuts draw up like raisins or hair loss from tren also nite sweats are very mild and I found that running 50 mg every day versus every other works better. But when i use tren I only stay 4 weeks or less. I also switch compounds and run low doses

My nuts don't shrink up like raisins on cycle either. We are the lucky few. haha
 
One side I forgot to mention is my sex drive is crazy while I am on but thats a good thing HA HA
 
honestly, staying on and upping my igf-1 lr3 dose has helped me between cycles, tremendously! My avatar is a photo of me off all gear for about 2 months, and purely using igf-1 lr3 as a bridge. just my thoughts lol

I still need to try bridging with igf.

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I have been on since dec 15 and feel better now than I ever have but I really dont get sides that I know of I have never had my nuts draw up like raisins or hair loss from tren also nite sweats are very mild and I found that running 50 mg every day versus every other works better. But when i use tren I only stay 4 weeks or less. I also switch compounds and run low doses

I think you do what most don't do and that is low doses. IMO you get better quality gains you can keep and negate the sides.
 
Damn.. I'm not meant to be on gear. Oh Fugg!! I had a side effect so I should have bagged it decades ago and not had any fun at all. Damn I thought I returned to normal a bunch of times when I went off for long periods of time and my test levels were mid range to high normal over the years. it must have been a mistake. My "baseline" was probably twice the top of normal range. Hell.. he's right. I was like I was on gear before I used gear and now I'm messed up since i test normal off.

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But anyway... I made the best gains doing blast and cruise with tiny mini breaks here and there. Teh breaks made you respond better to gear. otherwise you ahve to keep upping the dose and that's when the trouble really starts to effect your health.
 
Damn.. I'm not meant to be on gear. Oh Fugg!! I had a side effect so I should have bagged it decades ago and not had any fun at all. Damn I thought I returned to normal a bunch of times when I went off for long periods of time and my test levels were mid range to high normal over the years. it must have been a mistake. My "baseline" was probably twice the top of normal range. Hell.. he's right. I was like I was on gear before I used gear and now I'm messed up since i test normal off.

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But anyway... I made the best gains doing blast and cruise with tiny mini breaks here and there. Teh breaks made you respond better to gear. otherwise you ahve to keep upping the dose and that's when the trouble really starts to effect your health.

Very true Brother... ;)
 
Agree with Presser. Come on Cobra lets have it brother
Well generally here's my thoughts with no organization or explanation:


1) overall way too many people use gear
2) too many young guys use gear and too few old guys use gear
3) 99% of people who cycle (ph's or the other) achieve results they could have achieved naturally
4) dosages for almost everyone are way too high
5) Gear propoganda has gotten way out of control and I have no clue where it came from
6) Most people who use gear (now a days) do so in a way that is harmful to their body, but it can be done safely
7) Rampant usage is the result of too much available information (never thought I'd say that), laziness and the "shortcut" mentality, and people's assumption that they cannot do anything for themselves and are destined to suck at building size and strength without a chemical shortcut.
 
Well generally here's my thoughts with no organization or explanation:


1) overall way too many people use gear
2) too many young guys use gear and too few old guys use gear
3) 99% of people who cycle (ph's or the other) achieve results they could have achieved naturally
4) dosages for almost everyone are way too high
5) Gear propoganda has gotten way out of control and I have no clue where it came from
6) Most people who use gear (now a days) do so in a way that is harmful to their body, but it can be done safely
7) Rampant usage is the result of too much available information (never thought I'd say that), laziness and the "shortcut" mentality, and people's assumption that they cannot do anything for themselves and are destined to suck at building size and strength without a chemical shortcut.

Well said sir... ;)
 
Ok, I'll do a little on #2 since #5 is so long haha.

I think way too many kids or basic gym rats use gear. Like you said basically, why cycle to lose your gains afterwards and probably have low test? I can't tell you how popular (as you prob know) superdrol was especially for younger guys. Everybody who played high school sports was on this shit. Hell, I even heard that a high school coach in my area was handing it out to his players (talk about mother fucking irresponsible - I'd sue every possession that coach had if I could prevent myself from killing him first if I had a son on that team).

Say you are a natty dude with no real idea about gear and training/diet and you take superdrol for 4 weeks and put on 25lbs (and 50lbs on your bench - which is your favorite exercise bc you're 1} a douche and 2} American haha) cause it's your first cycle. Well then you take clomid for 4 weeks and cry yourself to sleep every night watching bambi bc estrogen is sky high and testosterone isn't even there. At the end of four weeks, you're feeling a little better and still up 15lbs and your bench is still 30lbs higher than it was so you're happy. Well, in my mind that is a failure. Here's why: 1) you can put 30lbs on your bench in 8 weeks naturally if you concentrate on it and program it correctly unless you are already very strong; 2) you felt like shit for 2 months straight - enough said; 3) you possibly damaged your endocrine system; 4) you are less healthy now than you were and 5) you endured mental stress for no reason.

Sure if you cycle 4 times a year you are better off being on than natural (in terms of size and strength), but I'd say you are cycling being off rather than cycling being on and you are really now yourself when "on."

In regards to the other part, TRT for oldish guys or previous gear (bc IMO Every man has the motherfucking right to have normal hormones regardless of how yours got fucked up) users is the shit and necessary in the estrogen infused skinny jean douche bag pussified world we live in today. I don't think any rational guy doesn't know the benefits of high end of the normal range test such as libido, muscle mass, energy, mental clarity, good aggression, reduced bf, IQ, ect, but a lot of people don't know that high test also has been correlated with: 1) reducing thoughts of one's mortality - a fucking pointless activity; 2) preventing obsession with material possessions (can be linked to low test), and 3) pre occupation with politics (also strangely linked to low test - I guess guys with high test would rather turn off CNN and fuck a girl and lift weights than hear about the world's bullshit).
 
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