aching joints and fatigue from pinning

echo419 · Jun 17, 2014

so it's been 3 weeks in a row now and I even waited an extra day this week to make sure it wasn't something I was doing on sunday.

basically I've been pinning 250mg test enth once a week since April and everything has been fine until 3 weeks ago. the next day or 2 after pinning my body aches and I'm pretty tired. sorta like when you have the flu. it's been the same test since like january when I was doing much more. this is just a cruise until I bump things up for my meet in Sept.

any ideas what can cause this?

DEMIGOD · Jun 17, 2014

Mono?

You been sippin those public water fountains echo? or kissing some nasty biddiess?? lol

MMX2 · Jun 17, 2014

Do you know if it's from same or different batches?
Do you pin in the same place or do your rotate?
Pinning anything else with the test?

echo419 · Jun 17, 2014

MMX2 said:
Do you know if it's from same or different batches?
Do you pin in the same place or do your rotate?
Pinning anything else with the test?

same order. same vendor. the last 2 from an old bottle and one from a new one. while I don't know if it's the same batch I do know that this only happened after a couple pins from the same bottle with no problems.
I rotate. it's only 1cc once a week right now and I'm rotating between my rear delts and lats.
test enth alone.

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DEMIGOD said:
Mono?

You been sippin those public water fountains echo? or kissing some nasty biddiess?? lol

I'll plead the fiff on that one.

MMX2 · Jun 17, 2014

Anything else going on healthwise?
Cold, allergies, etc?

echo419 · Jun 17, 2014

MMX2 said:
Anything else going on healthwise?
Cold, allergies, etc?

nope I'm good.

akn · Jun 17, 2014

Using any ai ???

echo419 · Jun 17, 2014

akn said:
Using any ai ???

ai?

Millennial Monster · Jun 17, 2014

I would buy a .20 or .45 whatman syringe filter and run it into a clean vial. Then try pinning again. If you still get that sick feeling put the vials in a 220 degree oven for about 30-45 minutes. Sounds like a minor contamination. Maybe something was already in there and didn't start "maturing" till you broke the seal. Or maybe you introduced something into the vial inadvertently.

guardianactual · Jun 17, 2014

anti estrogen like arimidex exemastane etc?

echo419 · Jun 17, 2014

raysd21 said:
I would buy a .20 or .45 whatman syringe filter and run it into a clean vial. Then try pinning again. If you still get that sick feeling put the vials in a 220 degree oven for about 30-45 minutes. Sounds like a minor contamination. Maybe something was already in there and didn't start "maturing" till you broke the seal. Or maybe you introduced something into the vial inadvertently.

could be. but I got this feeling with a fresh new bottle as well. it's not so bad today and I'm over it now except for the pin site is still pretty sore. not red or swollen though.

guardianactual said:
anti estrogen like arimidex exemastane etc?

nope. every time I've taken one of those it has sucked the life out of me. like when I tried a PCT a few months ago of HCG, Nova/clomid. not fun.

Millennial Monster · Jun 17, 2014

I would give the bottles a reheat. Maybe they got cold and semi crashed although Test E usually does not. It does sound like it is crashing in your muscle after you inject. You got any EQ lying around? Inject with some of that. It will help. Who knows what's going on.

csuperman · Jun 17, 2014

my standard answer....

have you had blood work done lately?

it's all in the blood (well most things can be ascertained from it.)

BigZ · Jun 17, 2014

The body is pretty adept at recognizing foreign substances, and it will sometimes react a little to injected test. I've had reactions like that with human grade test at times over 15 years. I've even reacted with hives a couple of times.. scared me that I was not going to be able to take it anymore. I would take a rest from training for a few days to let the body recuperate, especially if you haven't had a break in a while.

dorian123 · Jun 17, 2014

raysd21 said:
I would buy a .20 or .45 whatman syringe filter and run it into a clean vial. Then try pinning again. If you still get that sick feeling put the vials in a 220 degree oven for about 30-45 minutes. Sounds like a minor contamination. Maybe something was already in there and didn't start "maturing" till you broke the seal. Or maybe you introduced something into the vial inadvertently.

I would try this, you can push bacteria into the vial and it will grow-even a new bottle

something else that helps with test flu is Ny Quil and Advil

echo419 · Jun 18, 2014

raysd21 said:
I would give the bottles a reheat. Maybe they got cold and semi crashed although Test E usually does not. It does sound like it is crashing in your muscle after you inject. You got any EQ lying around? Inject with some of that. It will help. Who knows what's going on.

yeah, I'll try reheating it and you're the 3rd person to tell me to do some EQ with it. I for sure didn't have this problem when I was running EQ with it. I'm going to take a week off and try both reheating and blending.

csuperman said:
my standard answer....

have you had blood work done lately?

it's all in the blood (well most things can be ascertained from it.)

I had a regular scheduled appt with my endocronologist last week and I told him about what I had going on so we did a bunch of blood work.

what blood work are you talking about? I assume test and estrogen but anything else?

dorian123 said:
I would try this, you can push bacteria into the vial and it will grow-even a new bottle

something else that helps with test flu is Ny Quil and Advil

could be that as well. I'm very careful. new needles for pinning and drawing every time but shit can happen.

I was hurting real bad last night. even the bottoms of my feet hurt from walking on the floor. it was all I could do after I got home to shower, make/eat dinner and go to bed. it felt like I was resisting arrest a few hours before.

glycomann · Jun 18, 2014

The bloodwork might point to something. I would say it could be the stress from on some form of androgen for a long time. Check BP and heart rate. REd cells up, heart rate up, BP up means cruise on 100 mg/7-10 days for a while.

echo419 · Jun 18, 2014

glycomann said:
The bloodwork might point to something. I would say it could be the stress from on some form of androgen for a long time. Check BP and heart rate. REd cells up, heart rate up, BP up means cruise on 100 mg/7-10 days for a while.

blood pressue is always on point.

I'm supposed to get graston on my repaired pec later today. my god that's gonna hurt. :laugh:

Zao · Jun 18, 2014

Sometime high- testosterone lower immune response => test flu!

echo419 · Jun 18, 2014

got my blood work back.

HGB 18.3
Hematocrit 54.3

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