What are your thoughts on both? I hear conflicting information on both compounds. Some people say dmz is extremely dry & more suited for recomp or a cutter. While others say its a all out bulker. Some say they get extremely bad bloat with dmz. Vice versa with msten, I have no experience with msten so i can't comment on it. Dmz I tried at 40mg for 8 weeks & it blew me the fuck up with bad bloat. I even upped my potassium & water intake & it still didn't help.