I currently run MC IGF-1 @ 100mcg, PRE workout, 30 min prior to workout with an 80 mg waxymaize drink, on training days only. nothing matches it bar-none! and the best part about it, is I stopped training for about 3 months for some odd reason, but the amazing thing is even after I stopped applying it and eating clean and training, I noticed I continued to lose bodyfat for like the next 30 days! I mean my side obliques were coming out! WTF!! and the whole time I was "off", of course I gained some bodyfat, but any and all muscle I gained, I kept! Unbelieveble! first muscle on me I see go is in my quads, but it stayed. when funds allow, im gonna bump it up to 150 mcg pre workout. this stuff is liquid gold!!