Holy Prop Pain!!!

h8tr3d

h8tr3d

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my friend just made his first homebrew of prop 100mg/ml, and some sites it hurts like hell, and others its not so bad. He is not new to injection technique, so it isnt that. He ran BA @ 2%, and BB @ 20%. Should he have used a different ratio?? He also heard that EO is suppose to make it not as painful. Is this true?? Other than the pain, everything else is good to go!!;)
 
125mg/ml 2.5% BA, massage and exercise area directly after stick to disperse = no pain. Ya don't need all that BB. I rarely use it at all.
 
Also I know alot of people swear by using EO for making shit less painful but im not sure if its just me or if anyone else experiences this but EO is more painful to me then all other oild, not sure if my body doesnt accept EO well or what but EO hurts me like a mofo
 
Presser said:
Also I know alot of people swear by using EO for making shit less painful but im not sure if its just me or if anyone else experiences this but EO is more painful to me then all other oild, not sure if my body doesnt accept EO well or what but EO hurts me like a mofo
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some people problably you included have reactions to EO in the sites. I myself love EO and I cant even tell i inj. where it goes. Some people just are prown to it hurting and some arent.
 
Some people just don't respond well to some compounds. I for one have had a bad reaction to Prop everytime I've used it, including infections from well known sterile gear. For some reason my body just reacts poorly to it no matter what I do, I've cut it with other AAS, I've massaged, I've compressed and I've ended up in the ER on one occassion... My body no likey Prop.
 
yeah i remember that mikey. I love prop if i go in my glutes it isnt bad. Shoulders make it sore quite a bit but still manageable. I love EO it works great for me.
 
nucman said:
Eo?
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EO is an oil that gear is suspended in similar to grapeseed etc... Its supposed to be less painful and able to suspend greater amounts of gear so like 500mg/ml etc per CC ive personally used 500 mg per ml test in ethyl oil and it was painless. I think normal has done the same.
 
shoulders dont really hurt anymore, or quads, but tris and bis...... holy hell! My bis hurt for 4 days! Dont think i'll be hittin them again!!
 
body2see said:
I always adjust to prop after hitting the injection site once or twice, not sure if you guys have this same reaction, but after you hit it a few times, you feel nothing at all!!
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that was my first time ever hitting bis, then i went straight ot the gym and did a hard bi workout! OUCH!!
 
Prop pain is due to the bodys reaction to propionic acid which is used in its esterification. The body releases histamine in response to the trauma of the gear once the solvents are absorbed in the site. I wouldnt rub/massage it as this causes more of a reaction, even though instinct tells you too. Once solvents are gone the gear left in situ is crystal like just like the raw hormone powder. Hot compress then cold compress 10 mins each alternate, and some ibuprofen to reduce swelling.

The best way to avoid it though is to take an anti-histamine and hour before the jab and most importantly warm the vial up. I stand mine in boiling water from the kettle for 5 mins, then draw and shoot. It helps massively.
 
david88 said:
Prop pain is due to the bodys reaction to propionic acid which is used in its esterification. The body releases histamine in response to the trauma of the gear once the solvents are absorbed in the site.
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i am so glad you explained this. it never made sense to me why prop hurt so bad considering the concentration is typically so low and while test cyp/enan are always painless, meaning the only difference is the attached ester. finally, my question is answered.
 
people react differently to EO....5 out of 100 people react negatively to EO the other 95 get to enjoy pain free test prop/tren ace injections :) next time you can just replace some of your oil with eo, i know some guys that use all eo and a little ba/bb to keep sterile and they dose prop at 200mg/ml
 
Prop Pain workaround????

david88 said:
Prop pain is due to the bodys reaction to propionic acid which is used in its esterification. The body releases histamine in response to the trauma of the gear once the solvents are absorbed in the site. I wouldnt rub/massage it as this causes more of a reaction, even though instinct tells you too. Once solvents are gone the gear left in situ is crystal like just like the raw hormone powder. Hot compress then cold compress 10 mins each alternate, and some ibuprofen to reduce swelling.

The best way to avoid it though is to take an anti-histamine and hour before the jab and most importantly warm the vial up. I stand mine in boiling water from the kettle for 5 mins, then draw and shoot. It helps massively.
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Now, if the above is taken as true, in conjunction with the statement that too much BB is also leading to the pain, does anyone see a logical flaw with the following:

1) Prepare test prop in an oil/BA mixture only (2-2.5% BA), *no* BB.
2) Use a oil, or oil mixture, which is more slowly absorbed by the body, so that the prop doesn't get to come out of solution before it is absorbed. My thoughts on this would be something like GSO laced with MCT - not too much, but enough to leave behind a residue for an extra couple of days.

Keep in mind, this is my chemistry background talking, so what maybe sounds good on paper won't work in the real world, but....if it does....no more prop pain?

Comments, anyone?

Doctor9
 
It sounds good, but is there any way to test it? Prop pain has always been around, so if that could be solved, I'm sure there'd be a lot more people using it. Docs sometimes even prescribe it, but they know that it's more painful so the commonly prescribed test is cypionate. Having prop available would be better because you can keep blood levels far more stable with it than with cypionate.
 
Well - a one-person test would be easy - prepare prop using the standard formulation and the idea I had - try them on the same person, and see what happens.

I may do just that, as I am currently experiencing prop pain myself - Homebrewed, but I'm a chemist, I know a thing or two about sterile solution preparation.

I would be worth trying - this 2-3 days of discomfort in major muscle groups is for the birds.

The only other idea I could think of was adding something to take the propionic acid out of the equation by having a mildly alkaline agent in the mix which could maintain the pH of the injection site around the physiological norm - but that gets complicated.

By the way, is it just me that can't get past the main sub-forum header? I had to jump in here by linking to a recent post.....

Doctor9
 
Doctor9 said:
Well - a one-person test would be easy - prepare prop using the standard formulation and the idea I had - try them on the same person, and see what happens.

I may do just that, as I am currently experiencing prop pain myself - Homebrewed, but I'm a chemist, I know a thing or two about sterile solution preparation.

I would be worth trying - this 2-3 days of discomfort in major muscle groups is for the birds.

The only other idea I could think of was adding something to take the propionic acid out of the equation by having a mildly alkaline agent in the mix which could maintain the pH of the injection site around the physiological norm - but that gets complicated.

By the way, is it just me that can't get past the main sub-forum header? I had to jump in here by linking to a recent post.....

Doctor9
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it was a long time ago that i posted this thread, lol, but since then i have used other compounds to help cut mith it, and grapeseed oil as well. It helped a little bit, but like every cycle, even with prop, after 3-4 weeks in the pain just goes away for me. I guess my body gets use to it.

bump for Saudades on your technical site problems, as he is a wizard when it comes to that
 
There was a minor issue with this forum, but it has been fixed now, thanks for the heads up.
 
Just in case anyone is interested...

I just finished preparing a trial version based on my ideas above. Did not use MCT oil (didn't have any on hand) but did find out that peanut oil is absorbed more slowly than grapeseed oil, so:

50/50 GSO/Peanut Oil
2% BA, 2%BB (kept some in to maintain the solubility a bit higher)
50mg/mL Test prop

Just injected 3 ml (1 ml in each quad, 1 ml in glute) for reference purposes - have used my previous formulation in each of these locations and suffered.

I'll let everyone know if it helped at all as soon as I know :)

On a separate note - I put some of the old formulation in both triceps - one was sore for several days, the other was actually *swollen* enough to give me an extra 1/2 inch on the arm (Wouldn't normally complain about that except for the pain....) Has anyone had *that* intense a reaction - that's almost like one would expect from Esiclene.....

Doctor9
 
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