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    Default Looking at converting raws to injectables.

    Checked out landmarkchem seemed pretty legit 50 grams is insane amount for me being on TRT.

    I had some questions of how long powdered raws last vs prepared injectables. I'm also looking at adding DECA for joint relief and maybe some avnavar to blast with, cause if I ordered I'm gonna have way too much for me to use it would take 5 years plus to use that much gear but it's so cheap that the cost would still be lower, and if Shelf life could be stretched to 3 to 5 years it would probably be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HULK1972 View Post
    Checked out landmarkchem seemed pretty legit 50 grams is insane amount for me being on TRT.

    I had some questions of how long powdered raws last vs prepared injectables. I'm also looking at adding DECA for joint relief and maybe some avnavar to blast with, cause if I ordered I'm gonna have way too much for me to use it would take 5 years plus to use that much gear but it's so cheap that the cost would still be lower, and if Shelf life could be stretched to 3 to 5 years it would probably be worth it.

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    Shelf life power in good dark cool place or vac pack in freezer. Don't quote freezer
    But 2 years dark room temp vac packed

    Then convert I use 5 years old as good as new.
    But it's 2 on powder proper stored then 2-3 in oil with ba and bb.
    So that gives u 5 years....


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    As long as you store it in a cool, dark and dry place. It will probably never get old. Just don't open and close the packages all the time, ask your supplier to pack many small packages. Moisture and sunlight = worst enemies

    I can tell you that 8-10 year old powders have been as good as when they were fresh.
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    there's an article on here about expiration dates on meds and how the military had an over abundance of them that were due to expire. they didn't want to throw away millions of dollars of meds, so they had them test for potency. they were still just as potent and when they started, so they gave them a new expiration date and went on.
    as far as powders go, i read what thx wrote and they will keep around ten years stored properly, maybe indefinitely. there have been guys who mentioned they've used gear well past expiration date and they were still good.
    i wondered about it too, so i researched a bit before i bought my raws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pgb View Post
    there's an article on here about expiration dates on meds and how the military had an over abundance of them that were due to expire. they didn't want to throw away millions of dollars of meds, so they had them test for potency. they were still just as potent and when they started, so they gave them a new expiration date and went on.
    as far as powders go, i read what thx wrote and they will keep around ten years stored properly, maybe indefinitely. there have been guys who mentioned they've used gear well past expiration date and they were still good.
    i wondered about it too, so i researched a bit before i bought my raws.
    I use all expired stuff..
    But with raw powder it's not the same.
    In its raw form it's shielded by nothing else.
    Almost like use naked in a sand storm....

    Raw form it's not same at all because in preserved and shielded, It will melt turn yo liquid and just things getting to it can grow on it and it can get weak..

    Yes smaller pack route fine but just like peptides mixed how they lose STREGTH raw hormones do too.

    I use gear that is old but raws too cheap to stop too long... the say to toss them.. I don't wanna use stale gear. My Letro raw from 2011 is been no good and I will bloated likem.... cause it was only AI I used until 2015.. a few others I had went bad too... kept in day place 1-10 gram packs never opened. They were mostly orals.

    After my leading with letro I am chunking any raw after 2 years or converting at 2 years then keep...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    I use all expired stuff..
    But with raw powder it's not the same.
    In its raw form it's shielded by nothing else.
    Almost like use naked in a sand storm....

    Raw form it's not same at all because in preserved and shielded, It will melt turn yo liquid and just things getting to it can grow on it and it can get weak..

    Yes smaller pack route fine but just like peptides mixed how they lose STREGTH raw hormones do too.

    I use gear that is old but raws too cheap to stop too long... the say to toss them.. I don't wanna use stale gear. My Letro raw from 2011 is been no good and I will bloated likem.... cause it was only AI I used until 2015.. a few others I had went bad too... kept in day place 1-10 gram packs never opened. They were mostly orals.

    After my leading with letro I am chunking any raw after 2 years or converting at 2 years then keep...

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    Hands hurt CTS... typos sorry.
    Yeah get bloated like me with AI that webt stale and see if u Gonna keep raw long...
    Not me I want good stuff
    Letro.... learned lesson with it.
    And 1 gram converted was fine to last drop second gram trash from first
    So raw form.... goes bad faster
    Yeah it takes 4 years to use 1 gram letro

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    I use all expired stuff..
    But with raw powder it's not the same.
    In its raw form it's shielded by nothing else.
    Almost like use naked in a sand storm....

    Raw form it's not same at all because in preserved and shielded, It will melt turn yo liquid and just things getting to it can grow on it and it can get weak..

    Yes smaller pack route fine but just like peptides mixed how they lose STREGTH raw hormones do too.

    I use gear that is old but raws too cheap to stop too long... the say to toss them.. I don't wanna use stale gear. My Letro raw from 2011 is been no good and I will bloated likem.... cause it was only AI I used until 2015.. a few others I had went bad too... kept in day place 1-10 gram packs never opened. They were mostly orals.

    After my leading with letro I am chunking any raw after 2 years or converting at 2 years then keep...

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    Arimidex and letrozole will collect moisture (don't know if the terminology is right lol). But maybe that was your problem?
    I've used 5 year old letro and arimidex with no issues at all. But they were prepacked in small mylar bags.

    About the peptides, peptides are very sensitive (there are some exceptions though).

    I'm going to re-filter some old gear when I have time and try it out. I'll let you guys know if it's still good Wish I could get already sterile bottle top filters, then I would have done it long time ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muscle mechanic View Post
    I use all expired stuff..
    But with raw powder it's not the same.
    In its raw form it's shielded by nothing else.
    Almost like use naked in a sand storm....

    Raw form it's not same at all because in preserved and shielded, It will melt turn yo liquid and just things getting to it can grow on it and it can get weak..

    Yes smaller pack route fine but just like peptides mixed how they lose STREGTH raw hormones do too.

    I use gear that is old but raws too cheap to stop too long... the say to toss them.. I don't wanna use stale gear. My Letro raw from 2011 is been no good and I will bloated likem.... cause it was only AI I used until 2015.. a few others I had went bad too... kept in day place 1-10 gram packs never opened. They were mostly orals.

    After my leading with letro I am chunking any raw after 2 years or converting at 2 years then keep...

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    good to know. there is so much conflicting information all the time, but having someone with life experience helps.
    all that you read here is only for entertainment purposes.

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    I use to use expired testosterone cypionate that the gynecologist my ex worked for would throw away! She tossed it in trash and I would come back at night and go dumpster diving lol

    shit was incredible even expired

    powders however I haven’t a clue outside anti e stuff!

    I know cabor and letro doesnt last too long in powder
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    I use old gear. I just wouldn't wanna use raws that are too old... I don't have any raws but if I did test is so cheap for 50-100 grams after 2 years worth of use then convert rest and use for 3-4 years more. I would say I got my money's worth.

    Sometimes I think gear is good then I use something else and see big difference if it's old??? Don't know but better yes I don't know with UG stuff they can change label or with raws... don't know.

    I do know that I have went without using my Pharma cyp because other gear was spot on, then I was over 1500 on labs, so now u surely use Pharma 4 weeks before bloods. I rather thin stuff.

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