dude 100% solid advice, there really isnt much more advice that should be given in my eyes really, ive ran it solo, and got absolutely amazing results off it when I ran it at 50mg ED with 100mg test P EOD. But when I ran it solo, again 50mg a day, I without a doubt got the exact results I expected, hardened me up great, strength was all there, but yea, I did experience the ED from it, and man not even just ED but loss of appetite for sex, labido just got suppressed no doubt, and fuck im sorry I wish, If I can remember correctly, it fucked with my cholesterol just a bit? Ill look back to confirm but hey, this is a thread I read a bit back that I found would be useful and probably appropriate for those who come across this wondering the same question. This is not my words, I am quoting and am not trying to take credit for it but stand behind it 100% its solid dam advice, and as homeboy above said, if you got solid var, your golden at 50mg/day, dont need more absolutely not. just making it convenient for the crew... chech it:
Going to ask about anavar alone? READ THIS FIRST
Inspired By D.flood
Edited and Updated by Phased for
10/17/2012 and beyond
I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.
First, I'd like to get a few things straight about Var.
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic , and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 50mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT .
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid /nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle . 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Honey Goat Weed 750mg ED. Some of the more popular uses for which the herb is used are: to increase libido in men and women, improve erectile function in men, restore sexual vitality, stimulate and tone the muscles of the pelvic floor (intensifying ejaculation), increase sperm production, stimulate sensory nerves in the sexual organs, stimulate hormone secretions, and increase sperm count & density.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 50mg minimum a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80-100mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, I cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
---------------------------------------
Cycle #1
Anavar 50-80mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 500mg (100mg EOD) Weeks 1-8
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-8
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-8
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
----------------------------------------
Cycle #2
Anavar 50-80 ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Test Enth 1-12 500mg (Pinned Monday and Thursday)
Aromasin 10mg EOD
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
--------------------------------------------
Cycle #3
Anavar 50mg-80 ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Aromasin 10mg EOD
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-8
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-8
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.
LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid , and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - TUDCA
TUDCA is short for tauroursodeoxycholic acid, basically, a metabolite of the prescription drug ursodeoxycholic acid. UDCA is prescribed for the treatment of cholestatic liver disease. While UDCA is great for reversing liver disease
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 -NAC Liver Cleanse
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.
4. Omega Red Kill Fish Oil: The antioxidants in Mega Red Krill Oil also help neutralize free radicals. Free radicals are unstable molecules, formed through metabolism & can damage cells.
I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and I'll do some editing.
After all of this if you are still dead set on running Var alone cause you dont like needless. I would get Test or DHT cream at the minimum and then read this thread, it is the best thread we have on Var alone and BJJ went in depth with it and had great results.
Just giving you all the options I can.
Hope you enjoy all of this.
Going to ask about anavar alone? READ THIS FIRST
Inspired By D.flood
Edited and Updated by Phased for
10/17/2012 and beyond
I have seen about three threads a day in the past month on anavar alone, and they all turn into arguments involving the same parties....so let this just be a "guide" for an individual planning/considering using oxandrolone as a standalone compound.
First, I'd like to get a few things straight about Var.
MYTHS
Myth #1 - Anavar will not suppress the HPTA.
False. Anavar, used in adequate dosages, will shut you down. To what degree you experience side effects of suppression (loss of libido, lethargy) is entirely dependent upon the individual and the dosages used.
Myth #2 - Var is a weak anabolic , and is not effective unless stacked with a more androgenic compound.
This could not be further from the truth. At dosages of 50mg a day and higher, anavar is incredibly effective at adding water free LBM. At around day 6-7, increased vascularity should become apparent (assuming your oxandrolone is legitimate in its dosing), and strength gains should start appearing around day 14.
If used during a clean bulk, gains of 10-20 pounds are possible. If cutting, you will maintain weight, or even put on 5-10 pounds (depending on the rate of fat loss/severity of diet). You will keep all of your gains with proper PCT .
Myth #3 - Anavar will not require any type of PCT.
This is one ive never understood. It's a pretty commonly known fact now that var is a suppressive compound. So why is it that some individuals still refuse to make a small investment in some clomid /nolva....this is your testicular function we're talking about. That said, PCT required for var is not as "heavy" as PCT for, say, a test/eq cycle . 15-20 days @ 50mg clomid should be sufficient.
LIBIDO
The only real issue of concern that i have found when running anavar alone is slight libido suppression. Anavar is suppressive enough to where you WILL feel a difference in your sex drive (and not for the better ) when using 40+mg a day. There are three options to counteract this.
#1 - Honey Goat Weed 750mg ED. Some of the more popular uses for which the herb is used are: to increase libido in men and women, improve erectile function in men, restore sexual vitality, stimulate and tone the muscles of the pelvic floor (intensifying ejaculation), increase sperm production, stimulate sensory nerves in the sexual organs, stimulate hormone secretions, and increase sperm count & density.
#2 - Proviron - If hairloss is an issue in your choice to use anavar, then you may want to avoid this one. But 25mg ED proviron, starting after week 2, will keep you rock hard. And it will help to harden up your muscles too .
#3 - Maintenance Test Dosage - Finally, you could choose to use testosterone to keep your willy in shape. At a dosage of around 200mg, split bi weekly, everything should keep running smoothly. Also, this will contribute to your gains much moreso than than options 1 or 2. I would keep nolva onhand on the off chance that you are severely gyno prone. Bloating should not be an issue at this dosage.
BENEFITS
Anavar is a badass drug. This is why.
#1 - Vascularity
Oxandrolone will make you veiny as all hell. And quickly. Look out for brand new bulging forearms veins by around day 6. If you are following a cutting regimen, expect new spider webs in your chest, shoulders and quads by around day 21.
#2 - Pumps
When on var, the pumps are constant. Bored sitting in class/at work? Do some unweighted calf raises. After about three minutes, your calves will be ready to pop. Youll be doing something like drinking a cup of water, and after a minute of holding it, your bi will be completely full and pumped. You may have to cut some sets short in the gym due to the painful pumpage.
#3 - Strength
Even when cutting, you can expect new strength gains every workout after about day 14-21.
#4 - Fat Loss
Anavar has been shown to contribute to accelerated fat loss in both subcutaneous and visceral fat, concentrated effects in the abdomen and thigh area. And if youve used the drug, you can attest to this...if you cant sport the 6-8 pack look on var, its not gonna happen .
CYCLE
Anavar should be run @ at least 50mg minimum a day to see all of the benefits it offers. Dosages upwards of 80-100mg have been shown to exhibit diminishing returns. Also, I cant imagine the intensity of the pumps at that kind of dosage.
---------------------------------------
Cycle #1
Anavar 50-80mg ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 500mg (100mg EOD) Weeks 1-8
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-8
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-8
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
----------------------------------------
Cycle #2
Anavar 50-80 ED Weeks 1-8
Proviron 25mg ED Weeks 3-8
Test Enth 1-12 500mg (Pinned Monday and Thursday)
Aromasin 10mg EOD
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-12
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-12
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
--------------------------------------------
Cycle #3
Anavar 50mg-80 ED Weeks 1-8
Test Prop 50mg EOD Weeks 1-8
Aromasin 10mg EOD
HCG 500iu (250iu pinned Monday/Thursday)
Avena Sativa 2-4g ED Weeks 1-8
NAC 600MG Twice ED Weeks 1-8
Clomid 70/70/35/35
Nolvadex Breakdown
40/20/20/20mg
If bulking, Test Enanthate could be substituted for prop, and 100mg could be injected every 3-4 days...however, this could cause more bloating, and complicate PCT timing.
LIVER PROTECTION
Anavar is a 17 Alpha Alkylated steroid , and is toxic. It has been shown to be less toxic than other orals, and is even used as liver treatment for recovering alcoholics. Still, i would limit my time using it to 8 weeks, 10 at the most.
It would be beneficial to you liver to use several different OTC supplements during, and perhaps after your cycle. A few preventive measures never hurt anyone .
1 - TUDCA
TUDCA is short for tauroursodeoxycholic acid, basically, a metabolite of the prescription drug ursodeoxycholic acid. UDCA is prescribed for the treatment of cholestatic liver disease. While UDCA is great for reversing liver disease
2 - R ALA
A powerful antioxidant
3 - NAC
Supports liver function and production of l-glutathione
4 - Vitamin C and E
Antioxidants
5 - LOADS of water
Helps to flush out your entire system
LIPID PROTECTION
Anavar isnt going to kill your cholesterol levels like some drugs (winny being one of the worst), but it may put your LDL/HDL profiles outside of the normal range. There are a few things that help, but as long as your not using 60+mg daily or running it for more than 10 weeks, i would just use flax...
1 -NAC Liver Cleanse
2 - Policosanol
Used at 20mg daily to keep your HDL (good cholesterol) levels from crashing, and your LDL from becoming too high.
3 - Niacin
Preferably the flush free variety. If you wish, niacin can be used at 1-2g ED for a short period post-cycle to normalize HDL levels. Do not use for more than 7-14 days, as liver toxicity can be an issue when using those dosages of niacin for long periods of time.
4. Omega Red Kill Fish Oil: The antioxidants in Mega Red Krill Oil also help neutralize free radicals. Free radicals are unstable molecules, formed through metabolism & can damage cells.
I hope that people read this, and that it helps those doing their research to make the correct decision. If anyone sees any glaring errors, or has something important to add, hit me with a PM and I'll do some editing.
After all of this if you are still dead set on running Var alone cause you dont like needless. I would get Test or DHT cream at the minimum and then read this thread, it is the best thread we have on Var alone and BJJ went in depth with it and had great results.
Just giving you all the options I can.
Hope you enjoy all of this.
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