Creatine Mono vs Creatine Ethyl Ester

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Monohydrate or Ethyl Ester, which do you prefer and why??

I am from the days of Betagen, Phosphagen HP and german micronized creatine...

I have tried many of the newer Ethyl Ester versions and they just dont do the trick for me....I prefer the mono hands down

What are your experiences with these compounds and do any of you guys run creatine regularly anymore??
 
Honestly I don't really notice shit from either, but I take mono anyway. Its cheap and it can't hurt.
 
support the claim that CEE is garbage please.

Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2009 Oct 16;388(2):252-5. Epub 2009 Aug 4.
Non-enzymatic cyclization of creatine ethyl ester to creatinine.

Giese MW, Lecher CS.

Department of Chemistry, Marian University, Indianapolis, IN 46222, USA. [email protected]
Abstract

Creatine ethyl ester was incubated at 37 degrees C in both water and phosphate-buffered saline and the diagnostic methylene resonances in the (1)H NMR spectrum were used to identify the resultant products. It was found that mild aqueous conditions result in the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester to provide inactive creatinine as the exclusive product, and this transformation becomes nearly instantaneous as the pH approaches 7.4. This study demonstrates that mild non-enzymatic conditions are sufficient for the cyclization of creatine ethyl ester into creatinine, and together with previous results obtained under enzymatic conditions suggests that there are no physiological conditions that would result in the production of creatine. It is concluded that creatine ethyl ester is a pronutrient for creatinine rather than creatine under all physiological conditions encountered during transit through the various tissues, thus no ergogenic effect is to be expected from supplementation.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...167a54175a029d54b6f7400b28f5fcd5&searchtype=a

J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2009 Feb 19;6:6.
The effects of creatine ethyl ester supplementation combined with heavy resistance training on body composition, muscle performance, and serum and muscle creatine levels.

Spillane M, Schoch R, Cooke M, Harvey T, Greenwood M, Kreider R, Willoughby DS.

Department of Health, Human Performance and Recreation, Baylor University, Box 97313, Waco, TX 76798, USA. [email protected].
Abstract

ABSTRACT: Numerous creatine formulations have been developed primarily to maximize creatine absorption. Creatine ethyl ester is alleged to increase creatine bio-availability. This study examined how a seven-week supplementation regimen combined with resistance training affected body composition, muscle mass, muscle strength and power, serum and muscle creatine levels, and serum creatinine levels in 30 non-resistance-trained males. In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group. The supplements were orally ingested at a dose of 0.30 g/kg fat-free body mass (approximately 20 g/day) for five days followed by ingestion at 0.075 g/kg fat free mass (approximately 5 g/day) for 42 days. Results showed significantly higher serum creatine concentrations in PLA (p = 0.007) and CRT (p = 0.005) compared to CEE. Serum creatinine was greater in CEE compared to the PLA (p = 0.001) and CRT (p = 0.001) and increased at days 6, 27, and 48. Total muscle creatine content was significantly higher in CRT (p = 0.026) and CEE (p = 0.041) compared to PLA, with no differences between CRT and CEE. Significant changes over time were observed for body composition, body water, muscle strength and power variables, but no significant differences were observed between groups. In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power. Therefore, the improvements in these variables can most likely be attributed to the training protocol itself, rather than the supplementation regimen.

Journal of the International Society of Sports Nutrition | Full text | The effects of creatine ethyl ester supplementation combined with heavy resistance training on body composition, muscle performance, and serum and muscle creatine levels


I've never really heard anyone say it's done anything good for them. Tastes bad, upset stomache, no results, etc. Here's a couple threads.

http://www.musclechemistry.com/upload/musclechemistry-discussion/45845-cee-fails.html

Creatine Ethyl Ester? - Professional Muscle
 
yeah sadly your post does not refute your claim. Also, longitudinal studies have not been performed with CEE and monohydrate side by side, so until that research is done, I will continue to run creatine complex by profight, which contains every creatine ester in it.
 
yeah sadly your post does not refute your claim. Also, longitudinal studies have not been performed with CEE and monohydrate side by side, so until that research is done, I will continue to run creatine complex by profight, which contains every creatine ester in it.


:confused: Of course it doesn't refute my claim. It supports it. Why would I post something to refute my own claim? Not sure what you meant by that. And did you even read the two studies?

From the first study
It is concluded that creatine ethyl ester is a pronutrient for creatinine rather than creatine under all physiological conditions encountered during transit through the various tissues, thus no ergogenic effect is to be expected from supplementation.

From the second study
In conclusion, when compared to creatine monohydrate, creatine ethyl ester was not as effective at increasing serum and muscle creatine levels or in improving body composition, muscle mass, strength, and power.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'longitudinal' study, but they were compared side by side in the second study I posted
In a double-blind manner, participants were randomly assigned to a maltodextrose placebo (PLA), creatine monohydrate (CRT), or creatine ethyl ester (CEE) group
 
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Mono.

Multiple studies exist to support the claim that CEE is garbage. Actually, this idea is rather mainstream now, evidenced by the numerous articles published --based on scientific studies, of course--in MD and even MM within the last couple months. Mono is the most extensively studied, scientidically confirmed form of creatine on the market.
 
i dont notice shit either. I take creatine by metrex. NOt sure if its mono or the other stuff

Have to say i didnt notice shit from CEE, and i took it for a long while. Got some stuff called Creapump from my UK based online shop and this is based on mono.

Not really much to report on it really but definately feel better during workouts. Could be the creapump .. more likely the IGF :)

Dont believe you can go wrong with the basics!
 
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