Well, something is definitely working!

[Pharm_Fed]

Well, this starts the third week and all worries about bunk gear can pretty much be put to rest. The first few pounds I gained I attributed to eating more coming off a 2-week mini-diet, but the pounds just keep coming. I started my cycle at 195-196, weighed myself today at the gym and was 212. Granted that's probably 90% water, lol. But at least I know it's working. Noticed a jump in my sex drive the past couple days and I bombed shoulders today and it felt great. Strength is noticeably up.

My only complaint is no appetite, everything is force feeding at this point. I think I might cut the D-bol out after 3 weeks and see if that brings my appetite back.

Other than that, I feel fricking awesome. Feel strong, feel confident, mood is elevated and sense of well being is also higher than usual. How can something so great be illegal Also, based on Chris250 and Presser's suggestions (thanks guys), I started pinning the Sust325 EOD, beginning last Thursday. I don't know if it's coincidence but it seems like since then I've noticed it more. Could just be placebo though.

Can't wait to get another 3 weeks into it so the longer esters start kicking in and see what happens.

One question, my balls haven't atrophied at all. I don't know if the dose is so low that it won't shut me down, or if it just hasn't been long enough yet. Any insight on that? Just curious.

 

[Chris250]

Everyone is different...Some people just have the ablity not to shut down all the way...and they recover faster post cycle...Also, if you using an anti E or Clomid, HCG..then that would keep your balls there normal size (or close to it)

 

[dorian123]

what brand are you using?

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Axio Sust and Syntrop D-bol.

 

[dorian123]

I've had good luck so far from the sust325 can't say about the dbol though...
was pinning 5x/week at 2.5/gram week

 

[Pharm_Fed]

I've had good luck so far from the sust325 can't say about the dbol though...
was pinning 5x/week at 2.5/gram week

Damn son! This is my first cycle so I'm on a baby dose of ~285mg/wk.

 

[dorian123]

well I've been doing this for a while (over 10 years) so my body has developed a tolerance

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Yeah, I understand that. It just still sounds like a lot to me. That's almost 10x what I'm using, lol.

 

[Shaptown]

how old are you bro?

285mg/week is really a pointless dose to be running, unless you plan to get on TRT. If you are actually cycling, you should really be running at least 500mg/week. Sust is a wonderful mix, and without a doubt it is the most effective when ran EOD; heck ED is even better. If you were to run 0.5ml ED, I guarantee you that you would experience INSANE gains. I just really don't see a point in running a dosage that low.

You are inhibiting your hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis anyway, right? Well if that is the case, you might as well get some actually good muscle out of it....

This is why I say run at least 500mg/week. You would seriously not experience anymore supression from that dosage than from what you are currently running. And I personally recommend the usage of HCG on ANY cycle; not only to prevent testicular atrophy, but additionally to keep your leydig cells producing SOME dose of endogenous test. This will make it MUCH easier for your natural production to start again upon cessation of the exogenous sources once you start your PCT.

Take it from me man. And I'm sure a lot of the other experienced cyclers on this board will tell you the same. You are just not running a reasonable dosage. I wouldn't even bother to run AAS at all at such a low dosage. You are doing yourself more harm than good....

 

[Pharm_Fed]

how old are you bro?

285mg/week is really a pointless dose to be running, unless you plan to get on TRT. If you are actually cycling, you should really be running at least 500mg/week. Sust is a wonderful mix, and without a doubt it is the most effective when ran EOD; heck ED is even better. If you were to run 0.5ml ED, I guarantee you that you would experience INSANE gains. I just really don't see a point in running a dosage that low.

You are inhibiting your hypothalamic pituitary gonadal axis anyway, right? Well if that is the case, you might as well get some actually good muscle out of it....

This is why I say run at least 500mg/week. You would seriously not experience anymore supression from that dosage than from what you are currently running. And I personally recommend the usage of HCG on ANY cycle; not only to prevent testicular atrophy, but additionally to keep your leydig cells producing SOME dose of endogenous test. This will make it MUCH easier for your natural production to start again upon cessation of the exogenous sources once you start your PCT.

Take it from me man. And I'm sure a lot of the other experienced cyclers on this board will tell you the same. You are just not running a reasonable dosage. I wouldn't even bother to run AAS at all at such a low dosage. You are doing yourself more harm than good....

I respect your opinion, but I must disagree. I've read several people post that if they had it to do over again, they would have started at lower doses and stayed there longer. Even a vet on this board has said he thinks a lot of guys miss out on those smaller dose gains. 285mg/wk is WAY more than my body produces naturally. I should definitely be able to grow off that, and IMHO if I can't, then my training or diet isn't in check.

Besides, how likely am I to keep gains that are so quick and drastic? It seems to me it will be easier to maintain muscle from a long, low-dose cycle as opposed to a short, high-dose cycle. That's just my opinion.

BTW, I'll be 27 in a few weeks.

 

[nuknuk]

well this is good news, keep us posted.

 

[dorian123]

if your making gains keep doing what your doing-it all depends on your body chemistry and how it reacts to what your taking

on top of that how many guys are taking say 3G/week of whatever and the product is underdose? there is a lot of crap gear out there

 

[nuknuk]

if your making gains keep doing what your doing-it all depends on your body chemistry and how it reacts to what your taking

on top of that how many guys are taking say 3G/week of whatever and the product is underdose? there is a lot of crap gear out there

true statment right there.

 

[Shaptown]

here, read this: Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism


I'm sorry, but you are making unsubstantiated claims my friend. Go ahead and waste your time running 300mg/week, when it would do you no more harm to run 600mg/week. Go ahead and keep following your opinion, when I can clearly supply you with medically researched and substantiated fact. I'm not trying to call you out on being wrong, I'm just simply trying to show you that it has been actually researched, and there is no reason for you to run a TRT dose for a cycle.

Best of luck, goodbye!

 

[Pharm_Fed]

here, read this: Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men -- Bhasin et al. 281 (6): E1172 -- AJP - Endocrinology and Metabolism


I'm sorry, but you are making unsubstantiated claims my friend. Go ahead and waste your time running 300mg/week, when it would do you no more harm to run 600mg/week. Go ahead and keep following your opinion, when I can clearly supply you with medically researched and substantiated fact. I'm not trying to call you out on being wrong, I'm just simply trying to show you that it has been actually researched, and there is no reason for you to run a TRT dose for a cycle.

Best of luck, goodbye!

I'm always open to be wrong, that's fine. And I appreciate the article, I will certainly read through it. If you have any more that'd be great too.

 

[jtunderdog]

Interesting. Good to hear you are making gains. I personally think you could be ok at 600 but if you are making quality gains go by what your body says. Reading the post is still a good idea and like you said be open to information.

 

[jtunderdog]

I just thought of this. Nuknuk don't you run 500mgs of test a week even now? Seems like I read that.

 

[skinny1]

Help me out here? You are running 285mg a week and pinning EOD with sust325. So I am assuming you don't pull a whole cc?, How much do you pull?

 

[h8tr3d]

Help me out here? You are running 285mg a week and pinning EOD with sust325. So I am assuming you don't pull a whole cc?, How much do you pull?

yeah, your right. I think he won the gear in a lottery contest, so he only has so much, and its his first cycle, otherwise im sure he would up it

 

[Pharm_Fed]

Help me out here? You are running 285mg a week and pinning EOD with sust325. So I am assuming you don't pull a whole cc?, How much do you pull?

I pull about .25mL and pin that EOD.

H8 is correct, I won this in a lottery so it's a free cycle. Want to keep the dose low, see how I respond, and I can adjust from there. It's like a free learning experience