The link between lack of t3 and belly fat

[The Survivor]

OK I'm frustrated as hell, I want to get back on stage but although I'm lean and mean on my body except my ab area. I went from 245LBS to 205LBS slowly (18 months) and 3 months ago I had 35mm on the skin caliper next to my naval and now its 25mm which is good but am still cursed with the bellyfat.

So long story short, when I decided to gear up again back in 2004 my BF was low and got even lower that yr, in 2005 I added GH to my arsenal and for the next 2 yrs had great abs...then in 2007 within about 30 days all of a sudden my abs disppeared even though my diet, training and drug protocol remained the same. They havent been back since...

I read recently that when your body is low on the t3 thyroid homrone, its next to impossible to burn fat esp. in the ab area. Is it possible that between AAS and GH that I somehow managed to drop my t3 production? For about $80 I can get my thyroid tested. Has anyone had this happen? Can my drug use cause this?

I feel I could win a few contests....if only I could wear my tank top! Any input would be greatly apprecaited. I did speak w/Robby Robinson and he told me to go off cycle (which I have been for 3 months) get down to 10% naturally, then go back on. Probably good advice. Any help from anyone would be great

 

[mcgaret]

I be a ass to think I knew more then Robby - lol
I would definitly try his sugestion

 

[The Survivor]

I be a ass to think I knew more then Robby - lol
I would definitly try his sugestion

Not to hijack my own thread, I brought this up earlier, as in Robbys case hes just a natural mesomorph and anything he does right or wrong will work esp. for him. Then we all take his advice and do it.....when it could be the wrong thing to do....which of course drives home the point of using your own discreation when seeking advice

 

[Bigrisk]

Gotta run T4 on growth ur body coverts ur T4 to T3 like crazy on growth/aas at such a rate it depletes ur T4 then ur body doesn't have fuel T4 to convert to T3
Then the fat burning effect goes away

 

[The Survivor]

Gotta run T4 on growth ur body coverts ur T4 to T3 like crazy on growth/aas at such a rate it depletes ur T4 then ur body doesn't have fuel T4 to convert to T3
Then the fat burning effect goes away

So to put it simpler, when a person injects a fat burning substance (AAS or GH) into thier body, just like testosterone theory, your body cuts off its natural fat burning capabilities since its being fed external chemicals. But then you actually lose these fat burning processes over time?

I'm going to have my thyroid checked next wk, will this show up on the panel? If this is the case, is it easliy fixed? Heres a linky to a web site that I was referred to that could remedy this, I wonder if it really works..


Lean System 7 (contains 7-Keto) Metabolic Activator and Metabolism Booster - How to Increase Metabolism - iSatori

Thanks for the insight

 

[Bigrisk]

No ur body dosent have time to make the T4 becauses its using it to fast to make T3 add T4 then T3 will come back up

 

[The Survivor]

No ur body dosent have time to make the T4 becauses its using it to fast to make T3 add T4 then T3 will come back up

Would a thyroid test confirm this in my case? So your saying I need to add t4? No t3? Thanks again

 

[Bigrisk]

Yes depends on how ur doctor reads it too... Stupid ranges in those test but thyroid test are pretty easy to understand the can tell hey ur converting ur T4 to.T3 fineur just running low on gas "T4"

 

[The Survivor]

Yes depends on how ur doctor reads it too... Stupid ranges in those test but thyroid test are pretty easy to understand the can tell hey ur converting ur T4 to.T3 fineur just running low on gas "T4"

Due to my lack of insurance I was just going to use Labcorp for blood test w/no Dr involved. So I'll be reading my own results....so if my results indicate low on t4, I simply order t4 with no regard to t3 right? Sorry so many questions. If this t4 deficency is correct, would this explain the large amts of belly fat despite the fact that everywhere else I'm lean? Thanks again for your help, you got some reps for this!

 

[bigghorn]

Good thread.. Whats dose of t4 ? I'm in similar dilemma ..

 

[The Survivor]

Good thread.. Whats dose of t4 ? I'm in similar dilemma ..

I think a lot of people dont fully understand the link between all this as its confusing. I've been searching now and am startiing to get it. You see my fat came on super fast, I'd say 30 days from a six pack to a keg, been stuck there ever since. If I find a resourceful link I'll post it

 

[Bigrisk]

Ya liquid t4 doesages are never exact so 200-400 mcg a day and the liquid stuff is always underdosed or who knows maybe its spot on

 

[The Survivor]

So isn;t there a time limit one should stay on t4? Isn't it 6 wks? What then? Go off for same time then repeat? From what I read your body will return to normal but takes quite a long time, like a yr or more

 

[mkdk]

I feel your wasting your money. I have low thyroid and take meds, both t3 and t4. It has done absolutely nothing for fat loss. If I want to lean out I have to go zero direct carbs. I even had extra T3 and ran 100 mcg a day for 3 months and it did nothing, try it for me it was a waste and im even thinking of going off them all together.

 

[The Survivor]

I feel your wasting your money. I have low thyroid and take meds, both t3 and t4. It has done absolutely nothing for fat loss. If I want to lean out I have to go zero direct carbs. I even had extra T3 and ran 100 mcg a day for 3 months and it did nothing, try it for me it was a waste and im even thinking of going off them all together.

Were you just taking AAS and GH or just one? Did you try either T med by itself? I've heard that both T's are real effective, then I've heard they both work. Contradicting opinions, wow thats a first!! LOL

Maybe go the t4 and zero carbs? Was it zero or low carbs? Was your fat intake high?

I'm pretty certain in my case somethings wrong....for a long time I cardio'ed my ass off and ate lo fat/hi protein w/little ab fat loss but rest of body was very lean

 

[Bigrisk]

The point is growth speeds up the process of the body.converting t4 to T3 it speeds it up so much your body runs out of t4 the fuel for T3...take t4 refill ur tank and ur body will produce T3

 

[The Survivor]

The point is growth speeds up the process of the body.converting t4 to T3 it speeds it up so much your body runs out of t4 the fuel for T3...take t4 refill ur tank and ur body will produce T3

With the end result lots of both inner and outer fat? I dont quite understand how youe body can select an area (the abs) and keep it there but lean out in others. But t4 is cheap and if I'm low (which should show up in the test) I'll give it a whirl

 

[The Survivor]

I pasted this off another site, it sums it up.
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Growth Hormone and Its Effect on Thyroid Function
Many of us have used growth hormone in the hopes that it will accelerate fat-loss because that is what we have heard and seem to observe in higher level athletes and bodybuilders who are lean. What many do not realize is the actual mechanism of how growth hormone works to increase fat burning can actually decrease the fat burning ability of thyroid hormone. As we know, T3 and T4 are the two forms of functional thyroid in the body and GH will effect the blood level and efficiency of both of these hormones.

When GH is first elevated in the body from an exogenous source, fat-burning is increased through multiple mechanisms but is increased through an increased activity of the active T3 hormone. Growth hormone does this by a very distinct manner in which the enzyme 5'(prime) deiodinase is dramatically enhanced. This creates an increased conversion of the storage T4 to the active T3. With more active T3, the body begins to burn fat at an accelerated rate.

The catch is that the body has a limited amount of total and T4 thyroid hormone. After a few weeks, the body has a lower level of T4 because of the increased activity of the 5'deiodinase enzyme converting much of the T4 to the active T3. If T4 is not also supplied exogenously, the T4 levels will run low. At this point, the increased fat burning boost provided by the GH begins to decrease. Eventually, the fat-burning effect from the GH dwindles to nothing.

The way around this short-term accelerated effect of GH in order to make the fat-burning last is to supply the needed T4 to the body at a low-moderate dose (50-75mcg). By supplying the body with extra T4 the GH has more to work with and continues to pump out extra T3. This will allow you to milk the GH fat-burning effect for all its worth and get much more from your hard earned money (we all know that GH is NOT CHEAP).

 

[Bigrisk]

nice survivor well typed out i been on a damn cell phone but well put thats what alot of reseach and pleatueing of fat burning brought me to is that knowlege you just shared? my question for you is at what level of Iu used per day and how long before you run your t4 dry? everybody body is different i know but i want to say about around the 2-3 month time frame fat burning slows down

 

[The Survivor]

nice survivor well typed out i been on a damn cell phone but well put thats what alot of reseach and pleatueing of fat burning brought me to is that knowlege you just shared? my question for you is at what level of Iu used per day and how long before you run your t4 dry? everybody body is different i know but i want to say about around the 2-3 month time frame fat burning slows down

Bigrisk I used GH anywhere from 3-4 IU's/day, 5 on 2 off for a total of 27 straight months, yes 27 before I apparantly ran t4 dry and within a span of 4 wks had instant ab fat. So it was over 2 yrs in my particular case. So my usage was moderate but I had good muscular gains.

My question to you is if I am low on t4 and I do take t4 to counter that, do I need to go back on GH? I've been off GH for 3 months. Or will just taking T4 kick my levels back to where they need to be to burn fat?