Looking for input on a proposed stack. Proviron question

[jacksparrow007]

First, let me apologize if this is not in the right category. I wasn't 100% sure where to put it and I thought this might be a good spot.

Anyway, I am going to do a DNP cycle in the next week and I am already looking ahead to my next cycle of AAS. I would describe myself as an upper level intermediate/ almost advanced user as I have been doing cycles on and off since I was 20 (I am currently 28). I went back and looked at my stack from last summer and came up with a new one that was loosely based on it but with some novel twists.

The biggest thing I changed besides adding tren (which I have used in previous stacks) was adding Proviron and lowering test e . I got a lot of bloat off of my stack last year. To combat that I added test p at the beginning and end of the cycle and I added proviron from roughly the middle to the end. I figured that the test p will help start me off faster and then allow me to phase into PCT faster as well. At the same time, I am adding proviron so that my overall test e usage is lower. From all the research i have done (despite there being MASSIVE amounts of conflicting reports/opinions), it would seem that since Proviron lowers SHBG and is androgenic, it can help the overall blood level of free test thus allowing you to do more with less.

Thats the theory at least. Below are the two stacks. I am labeling them Summer 2012 and summer 2013. I would appreciate any thought or words of wisdom.

SUMMER 2012

Test E 300x2 per week for 7 weeks 450x2 per week for 4 weeks 300x2 per week for 3 weeks
EQ For 300x2 per week 14 weeks
Winny 50mg 5 per week (wed and sat off) for week 1-4
Anavar 100 per day MTTHF 50mg sat weeks 10-15
t3 cycled up and down throughout cycle
Arimidex .5 EOD week 9-17
Clomid week 5 (vacation week, did want to fly with injectibles, stopped AAS)
Clomid 100 ed week 16
Nolvadex 40 mg week 16-17
Nolvadex 20mg week 18-19

SUMMER 2013
Week 1-2
Test E 100mg twice per week
Test P 100mg twice per week (alt days from test e)
Tren 100mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Eq 200mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Winny 50mg ed Mon-Fri

Week 3-4
Test E 200mg twice per week
Test P 100mg twice per week (alt days from test e)
Tren 100mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Eq 200mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Winny 50mg ed Mon-Fri

Week 5-6
Test E 200mg twice per week
Tren 100mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Eq 300mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Winny 50mg ed Mon-Fri

Week 7-8
Test E 300mg twice per week
Tren 100mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Eq 300mg twice per week (same day as test e)

Week 9
Test E 300mg twice per week
Tren 100mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Eq 300mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Anavar 100mg MT, TH F S
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 10-11
Test E 300mg twice per week
Eq 300mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 12-14
Test E 300mg twice per week
Eq 300mg twice per week (same day as test e)
Provirion 50mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 15-16
Test E 200mg twice per week
Test P 100mg twice per week (alt days from test e)
Eq 300mg twice per week
Provirion 50mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 17
Test P 100mg twice per week
Eq 200mg twice per week
Provirion 50mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 18
Test P 100mg twice per week
Provirion 50mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EOD

Week 19
Provirion 50mg ED
Arimidex .5mg EOD
Anavar 100mg M T TH F S

Week 20
Arimidex .5mg EOD
Anavar 100mg M T TH F S
Clomid 100mg ED
Nolvadex 40mg ed

Week 21
Arimidex .5mg EOD
Anavar 100mg M T TH F S
Nolvadex 40mg ed

Week 22-23
Nolvadex 20mg ed


The Anavar at week 9 is to give me a mid cycle strength boost (it when I'm on the most of everything).

The over all goal here is to minimize bloat, get the most bang for my buck as far as supplementation and of course keep costs as low as possible (would love to run anavar and tren the whole damn time but gotta draw the line somewhere). I tried to plan synergistically.

I have had great luck with the Clomid/ Nolvadex in the manner described at the end of cycles in the past. Never used HCG but am thinking i might have to considering the length and suppression level of this cycle so input here would be great.

Sorry this was so long

Thanks for any input

cptjack

 

[csuperman]

I have heard the same thing about proviron increasing free test, same for winny as well.

you could always switch off the var for winny or npp, if you are trying to keep cost down.

i would also be sure to give the hcg a shot after such a long time on, well i would spread it out and use it during the whole thing starting like week 6 and doing it every so often, you are afterall looking at a 6 month cycle. more of a lifestyle than a cyle. lol

 

[jacksparrow007]

thanks csuperman

Is spreading out HCG like that effective?

I was hopin gofr a little more tangible info on the proviron tho... anyone else use it personally? It seems to be very contentious. I guess i should alter the question to include masteron as well

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oh and I have selected Anavar so as to use it at the end of the cycle to help transition to off period so that I dont lose as much strength. It is optimal in that position as it is not suppressive...

 

[csuperman]

i think hcg does work good like that imo, I don't have any tangible info for you on the proviron or personal use though

 

[big in vegas]

I have only ran proviron once and I ran it thriughout the whole cycle and loved it. I stayed hard and full throughout the whole cycle with VERY minimal signs of gyno

 

[The Dude]

Looking for input on a proposed stack

I've used Proviron and love it. I'm going to add it in when I run out of DMZ
It makes everything more effective. I just don't understand all the exotic planning for cycles. Some test and an anabolic and Proviron is awesome. If you want a kickstart add some tabs in the beginning. Start PCT a week after. HCG every 5 days throughout if you can afford it and don't want to be on HRT

 

[Presser]

ive still not ever used Proviron, but have known a couple guys who were freaks and they swore by having it with every cycle

 

[dorian123]

tried it 2x and never got anything from it...depends on the person

 

[BEASTZ6]

I tried Proviron several years ago. Run it with test and there is a synergy effect. Proviron run by itself will do nothing for you.

 

[Presser]

I tried Proviron several years ago. Run it with test and there is a synergy effect. Proviron run by itself will do nothing for you.

yeah thats what i always thought, but i know a guy who swore he was just using proviron and was beasted out size wise, my guess is he was one of those guys who feels like he has to lie about what he really takes, so everyone thinks he has some magical genes,lol